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50 mm lens, does it match the human eye field of vision?
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Mar 30, 2023 20:58:16   #
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TomHackett wrote:
Clearly, a 50mm lens together with a full frame sensor does not match "the human field of vision." But the human field of vision includes central vision (what you're looking at) and peripheral vision, where you may be aware of movement or light or color, but which you can't really be said to "see" in any meaningful way. Try, for example, to read the words on the cover of a book or magazine that is more than a few degrees from the object you are directly looking at. The advantage of having such a wide field of vision is that our eye (brain, really) can become are of a change of light or a sense of movement in the peripheral area and pull the eye toward it so as to see what's really going on there.

Here's a little experiment I tried. I don't know if it has particular value, but I found it interesting. Look directly into the viewfinder of your camera with one eye. Now, with the other eye open and not obstructed, try to overlay what you see with each eye. If one eye sees the subject as larger or smaller, adjust your focal length until they match. For me, that seemed to be about 60mm using a FF sensor. Does that make any sense?
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Your experiment will have differing results due to the differing finder magnifications from camera to camera.

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Mar 30, 2023 22:24:28   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
For my way of seeing, the fullframe 35mm focal length more closely approximates a "normal" human eye field of view, not counting our inherent peripheral vision. I

I have had many 50mm lenses over the past five decades as a shooter, and I have a couple of zoom lenses that cover that focal length now, but dont any longer have a prime 50mm lens for my fullframe mirrorless system. I never reach first for that focal length anymore. I more often shoot wider than 50mm or more telephoto than 50mm.

Cheers and best to you all.
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Mar 31, 2023 00:11:45   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
I would add that the 50/55 lenses are a close match for the magnification of your eyes. Clearly field of view is totally different beast.

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Mar 31, 2023 06:00:39   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of varioous lens focal lengths and nearly every one describes the 50 to 55 mm length, on a full frame DSLR, as the one that most closely matches the field of vision of the humn eye. I question whether or not that is really accurate. According to medical text books the human field of vision, with both eyes, is approximately 130 to 150 degrees wide, more or less. What I find in lens reviews is the 50 or 55 mm prime lens has a field of view of only around 40 degrees. Why is there such a discrepancy? A wider angle of view, say of a 35 mm on full frame, would more closely approximate the central portion of the viewed area of both human eyes together.

I know there is some edge distortion with wide angle lenses, 35mm or wider, but I would attribute that to the view being focused on a flat plane rather than on a curved plane like the eye's retina. Just a couple random thoughts that flow through my mind.
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This is complicated by the fact that the eye does not see the whole field with the same acuity. The area of max acuity, the fovea, is small, with progressively less resolution as one moves further away from it.

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Mar 31, 2023 06:18:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of varioous lens focal lengths and nearly every one describes the 50 to 55 mm length, on a full frame DSLR, as the one that most closely matches the field of vision of the humn eye. I question whether or not that is really accurate. According to medical text books the human field of vision, with both eyes, is approximately 130 to 150 degrees wide, more or less. What I find in lens reviews is the 50 or 55 mm prime lens has a field of view of only around 40 degrees. Why is there such a discrepancy? A wider angle of view, say of a 35 mm on full frame, would more closely approximate the central portion of the viewed area of both human eyes together.

I know there is some edge distortion with wide angle lenses, 35mm or wider, but I would attribute that to the view being focused on a flat plane rather than on a curved plane like the eye's retina. Just a couple random thoughts that flow through my mind.
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of ... (show quote)


It is close to perspective AND what you consciously see.
You "See" wider but are truly conscious of a much narrower field in front of you which approximates a 50mm lens.
And if you live in condition white, most people, your conscious field of view is more like an 85mm lens.

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Mar 31, 2023 06:39:03   #
whfowle Loc: Tampa first, now Albuquerque
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of varioous lens focal lengths and nearly every one describes the 50 to 55 mm length, on a full frame DSLR, as the one that most closely matches the field of vision of the humn eye. I question whether or not that is really accurate. According to medical text books the human field of vision, with both eyes, is approximately 130 to 150 degrees wide, more or less. What I find in lens reviews is the 50 or 55 mm prime lens has a field of view of only around 40 degrees. Why is there such a discrepancy? A wider angle of view, say of a 35 mm on full frame, would more closely approximate the central portion of the viewed area of both human eyes together.

I know there is some edge distortion with wide angle lenses, 35mm or wider, but I would attribute that to the view being focused on a flat plane rather than on a curved plane like the eye's retina. Just a couple random thoughts that flow through my mind.
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of ... (show quote)


A “normal” lens is one whose focal length is the diagonal of the sensor of the camera. The sensor size is commonly known as the format. A full frame DSLR sensor is 36mm by 24mm. So "normal" for a full frame digital camera is 43.27mm

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Mar 31, 2023 07:30:31   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of varioous lens focal lengths and nearly every one describes the 50 to 55 mm length, on a full frame DSLR, as the one that most closely matches the field of vision of the humn eye. I question whether or not that is really accurate. According to medical text books the human field of vision, with both eyes, is approximately 130 to 150 degrees wide, more or less. What I find in lens reviews is the 50 or 55 mm prime lens has a field of view of only around 40 degrees. Why is there such a discrepancy? A wider angle of view, say of a 35 mm on full frame, would more closely approximate the central portion of the viewed area of both human eyes together.

I know there is some edge distortion with wide angle lenses, 35mm or wider, but I would attribute that to the view being focused on a flat plane rather than on a curved plane like the eye's retina. Just a couple random thoughts that flow through my mind.
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of ... (show quote)


NO, the field of vision is more wide than a 50. And it varies from person to person because of the make up of each persons eyes.
And were talking about both eyes open here, not one eye open. So the persons field of vision with both eyes open is more like a 35 mm lens, give or take a couple of degrees. Please try that out.
The reason it became termed a NORMAL lens is because the 25mm cinema lens standard became a 50-mm normal lens for photography, because it was a reliable lens for completely and sharply filling the frame of a 35-mm photographic negative.

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Mar 31, 2023 07:56:35   #
Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR
 
TomHackett wrote:
Clearly, a 50mm lens together with a full frame sensor does not match "the human field of vision." But the human field of vision includes central vision (what you're looking at) and peripheral vision, where you may be aware of movement or light or color, but which you can't really be said to "see" in any meaningful way. Try, for example, to read the words on the cover of a book or magazine that is more than a few degrees from the object you are directly looking at. The advantage of having such a wide field of vision is that our eye (brain, really) can become are of a change of light or a sense of movement in the peripheral area and pull the eye toward it so as to see what's really going on there.

Here's a little experiment I tried. I don't know if it has particular value, but I found it interesting. Look directly into the viewfinder of your camera with one eye. Now, with the other eye open and not obstructed, try to overlay what you see with each eye. If one eye sees the subject as larger or smaller, adjust your focal length until they match. For me, that seemed to be about 60mm using a FF sensor. Does that make any sense?
Clearly, a 50mm lens together with a full frame se... (show quote)



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Mar 31, 2023 07:57:46   #
ELNikkor
 
With your brain, you can choose to narrow your vision to a particular item in your field of view, like zooming with a telephoto. When I isolate my interest on the closet doorknob, other items in the room are of peripheral interest, when "zooming out", I can take in at least 24mm wide for much of the room, no problem. The 35-50mm might provide a natural perspective of "compression" (or lack thereof). Wider than 35mm, and things seem farther away than to the eye, longer than 60-100mm, near and far objects can appear to be closer to each other.

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Mar 31, 2023 08:15:15   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of varioous lens focal lengths and nearly every one describes the 50 to 55 mm length, on a full frame DSLR, as the one that most closely matches the field of vision of the humn eye. I question whether or not that is really accurate. According to medical text books the human field of vision, with both eyes, is approximately 130 to 150 degrees wide, more or less. What I find in lens reviews is the 50 or 55 mm prime lens has a field of view of only around 40 degrees. Why is there such a discrepancy? A wider angle of view, say of a 35 mm on full frame, would more closely approximate the central portion of the viewed area of both human eyes together.

I know there is some edge distortion with wide angle lenses, 35mm or wider, but I would attribute that to the view being focused on a flat plane rather than on a curved plane like the eye's retina. Just a couple random thoughts that flow through my mind.
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of ... (show quote)

When I first began 35mm photography, I had a rangefinder camera with a 45mm lens, then a second. This was nearly fifty years ago; I’ve never really adjusted to a 50mm lens as ‘the standard’, and often zoom out.

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Mar 31, 2023 08:51:11   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of varioous lens focal lengths and nearly every one describes the 50 to 55 mm length, on a full frame DSLR, as the one that most closely matches the field of vision of the humn eye. I question whether or not that is really accurate. According to medical text books the human field of vision, with both eyes, is approximately 130 to 150 degrees wide, more or less. What I find in lens reviews is the 50 or 55 mm prime lens has a field of view of only around 40 degrees. Why is there such a discrepancy? A wider angle of view, say of a 35 mm on full frame, would more closely approximate the central portion of the viewed area of both human eyes together.

I know there is some edge distortion with wide angle lenses, 35mm or wider, but I would attribute that to the view being focused on a flat plane rather than on a curved plane like the eye's retina. Just a couple random thoughts that flow through my mind.
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of ... (show quote)


A lens that captures the perspective captured by the human eye can be calculated from the diagonal length of the sensor or film frame. For a FF camera this is length is about 43 mm. Both 35mm and 50mm lenses are a good approximation. The choice of a 50mm likely results from the ease of lens construction and its a nice round number too. I can remember a time when there were few or no lenses with focal lengths < 35mm. There were some old rangefinder cameras with a focal length close to 43 mm. My Dad had one.

Pentax has just such a lens for FF cameras.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/150977-USA/Pentax_20170_SMCP_FA_43mm_f_1_9_Limited.html/compatibility

The major point of this discussion it that the perception of depth is similar to the human eye and also similar to that used in European (and American) painting.

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Mar 31, 2023 09:16:12   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I think "close enough" would apply. It's not a zoom, and it's not a wide angle.

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Mar 31, 2023 09:36:58   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of varioous lens focal lengths and nearly every one describes the 50 to 55 mm length, on a full frame DSLR, as the one that most closely matches the field of vision of the humn eye. I question whether or not that is really accurate. According to medical text books the human field of vision, with both eyes, is approximately 130 to 150 degrees wide, more or less. What I find in lens reviews is the 50 or 55 mm prime lens has a field of view of only around 40 degrees. Why is there such a discrepancy? A wider angle of view, say of a 35 mm on full frame, would more closely approximate the central portion of the viewed area of both human eyes together.

I know there is some edge distortion with wide angle lenses, 35mm or wider, but I would attribute that to the view being focused on a flat plane rather than on a curved plane like the eye's retina. Just a couple random thoughts that flow through my mind.
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of ... (show quote)


Tony Northrup doesn't believe that 50mm matches the human eye either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHcb_UugiPo&ab_channel=Tony%26ChelseaNorthrup

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Mar 31, 2023 09:40:16   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of varioous lens focal lengths and nearly every one describes the 50 to 55 mm length, on a full frame DSLR, as the one that most closely matches the field of vision of the humn eye. I question whether or not that is really accurate. According to medical text books the human field of vision, with both eyes, is approximately 130 to 150 degrees wide, more or less. What I find in lens reviews is the 50 or 55 mm prime lens has a field of view of only around 40 degrees. Why is there such a discrepancy? A wider angle of view, say of a 35 mm on full frame, would more closely approximate the central portion of the viewed area of both human eyes together.

I know there is some edge distortion with wide angle lenses, 35mm or wider, but I would attribute that to the view being focused on a flat plane rather than on a curved plane like the eye's retina. Just a couple random thoughts that flow through my mind.
I have read numerous articles and descriptions of ... (show quote)


The human eye can only see true fine detail of about 3.8° to good detail to ~5° (basically the size of the eye's fovea and the immediate area around it). The fovea is only cones (color and detail) and no rods (black and white and, because of size, less detail). As one moves away from the fovea, more and more rods make up the mix for vision. Each eye can detect light up to ~210°/220° because of a translucent area at the outer edge of the iris where it attaches to the eye. The interesting part is between those two points.

The reason we see detail, beyond the fovea's 3.8°, is because of the eye's tracking and focusing system. And it covers the angle of view of 40° to 55° fairly easily. Hence, the "normal" camera lens is perceived as ~50°.

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Mar 31, 2023 09:43:17   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jlg1000 wrote:
Tony Northrup doesn't believe that 50mm matches the human eye either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHcb_UugiPo&ab_channel=Tony%26ChelseaNorthrup


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