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Mar 22, 2023 09:19:38   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
tenny52 wrote:
Today I saw Adorama has a D780 (used, very good V for $1299) for sale. I am still using my D610 with many OK lens.
Is it a good deal and should I care about its shutter count? Can anyone tell me what would I expect to see the difference if I update to that model?
I have an issue, I would bring my X-T10 and Insta360 x3 for my coming trip to China because of their portability. I don't want to carry too many lens for travelling because of my age.


Do you like the images you get now?, they will not improve any with the D780. My suggestion is to shoot the D610 until it dies, who knows, you may pass on before the D610.

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Mar 22, 2023 09:29:55   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
User ID wrote: "You wont see a difference."

I agree. If your images are not good now a new camera will not change that. You have to ask yourself if the D610 is not doing what you need from it. It has excellent resolution with 24 Mp., a decent control of noise and its AF good enough for a majority of applications.
Now, you said you have OK lenses, not that I know what is exactly an OK lens. Modern lenses are of excellent quality and I have several old ones that have outstanding resolution. Have you reviewed your techniques? I own a D610 and to me it is all the full frame camera I need. When it came to image quality it never let me down and I use it most of the time with a 28-105 AF-D or a 24-85 AF-S.

If you think you have "OK lenses" perhaps what you need is a good lens but to repeat it again, make sure you are using good photographic techniques before wasting your money. Jack Dykinga used to say "Concentrate on equipment and your images will be technically good. Concentrate on seeing the light magic colors and your images will stir the soul."

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Mar 22, 2023 11:19:37   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
tenny52 wrote:
Today I saw Adorama has a D780 (used, very good V for $1299) for sale. I am still using my D610 with many OK lens.
Is it a good deal and should I care about its shutter count? Can anyone tell me what would I expect to see the difference if I update to that model?
I have an issue, I would bring my X-T10 and Insta360 x3 for my coming trip to China because of their portability. I don't want to carry too many lens for travelling because of my age.

So you want to buy gear that you won’t use on your trip?

Sounds like GAS to me but If you have money to burn then by all means spend away and enjoy it.

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Mar 22, 2023 11:31:32   #
User ID
 
jerryc41 wrote:
And the d750 has a pop-up flash.

Right. Could be worth $1200 to be rid of that. The user would sleep much better knowing that their camera is a genuine "pro" model that boldly forsakes the pop up flash. Sleep is priceless.

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Mar 22, 2023 16:11:16   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
camerapapi wrote:
User ID wrote: "You wont see a difference."

I agree. If your images are not good now a new camera will not change that. You have to ask yourself if the D610 is not doing what you need from it. It has excellent resolution with 24 Mp., a decent control of noise and its AF good enough for a majority of applications.
Now, you said you have OK lenses, not that I know what is exactly an OK lens. Modern lenses are of excellent quality and I have several old ones that have outstanding resolution. Have you reviewed your techniques? I own a D610 and to me it is all the full frame camera I need. When it came to image quality it never let me down and I use it most of the time with a 28-105 AF-D or a 24-85 AF-S.

If you think you have "OK lenses" perhaps what you need is a good lens but to repeat it again, make sure you are using good photographic techniques before wasting your money. Jack Dykinga used to say "Concentrate on equipment and your images will be technically good. Concentrate on seeing the light magic colors and your images will stir the soul."
User ID wrote: "You wont see a difference.&qu... (show quote)


I also have the 24-85 AF-S on most of the time on travel as well. One of the reason for updating could be the low light shooting. A D780 would allow me to shoot at faster speed and instant focusing. Am I right about that?

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Mar 22, 2023 16:13:41   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
User ID wrote:
Right. Could be worth $1200 to be rid of that. The user would sleep much better knowing that their camera is a genuine "pro" model that boldly forsakes the pop up flash. Sleep is priceless.

It is a GAS with itching fingers

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Mar 22, 2023 16:19:00   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
billnikon wrote:
Do you like the images you get now?, they will not improve any with the D780. My suggestion is to shoot the D610 until it dies, who knows, you may pass on before the D610.

When I pass on, I can also pass on my D610 and the $1400 to someone who would not really care.

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Mar 22, 2023 16:23:58   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
JD750 wrote:
So you want to buy gear that you won’t use on your trip?

Sounds like GAS to me but If you have money to burn then by all means spend away and enjoy it.


yes, I just got my Insta360 x3 and am learning how to do the video editing. I will wait for another day when the stock goes up again

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Mar 22, 2023 16:25:42   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
User ID wrote:
You wont see a difference.

But if you want a better SLR the D780 is your last opportunity. As better cameras come along they obviously wont be SLRs.


The D780 would allow me to shoot at a faster speed, and instant focus, wouldn't it?

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Mar 22, 2023 16:27:32   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
therwol wrote:
12 frames per second versus 6. Uncropped 4K video at 30 fps. Phase detect autofocus in the Live View mode, which means no hunting to lock onto a subject and much better video when using autofocus. Better low light performance. Also faster and more reliable autofocus.


that's what I want, shoot at faster speed and more reliable faster AF

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Mar 22, 2023 16:51:24   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
tenny52 wrote:
The D780 would allow me to shoot at a faster speed, and instant focus, wouldn't it?


Instant focus? Probably not. The AF system is likely to be limited by (a) the focus motor of the lens and (b) the power supply of the camera. Typically, a battery pack makes a different to the highest end cameras in giving 'more power' to the camera. Changing the lens changes the lens focus motor. Battery packs cost another $100 to $300, based on the brand / model involved.

Faster speed? The reference to frames per second (fps) seems to be different than your usage of 'faster speed'. The D610 has a shutter speed limit of 1/4000 sec. The D780 provides 1/8000 sec max speed. Is shutter speed your meaning of faster speed, and is faster than 1/4000 sec relevant to your needs?

FPS? You have to be shooting still photos in Live View to achieve 12 fps for the D780, including a number of caveats on the file type and card type / model. Is LiveView even practical for sports, wildlife, etc? Otherwise, you're at 7 fps that doesn't seem like much for $1300 for just another 24MP Nikon full-frame DSLR.

reliable faster AF? Have you presented examples images and asked for help, aka free help? We can probably save you $1300 by just discussing your current D610 results. Maybe there is a need for another camera for your needs, where a D780 isn't the solution. But, we don't yet know the problem.

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Mar 22, 2023 17:01:21   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Instant focus? Probably not. The AF system is likely to be limited by (a) the focus motor of the lens and (b) the power supply of the camera. Typically, a battery pack makes a different to the highest end cameras in giving 'more power' to the camera. Changing the lens changes the lens focus motor. Battery packs cost another $100 to $300, based on the brand / model involved.

Faster speed? The reference to frames per second (fps) seems to be different than your usage of 'faster speed'. The D610 has a shutter speed limit of 1/4000 sec. The D780 provides 1/8000 sec max speed. Is shutter speed your meaning of faster speed, and is faster than 1/4000 sec relevant to your needs?

FPS? You have to be shooting still photos in Live View to achieve 12 fps for the D780, including a number of caveats on the file type and card type / model. Is LiveView even practical for sports, wildlife, etc? Otherwise, you're at 7 fps that doesn't seem like much for $1300 for just another 24MP Nikon full-frame DSLR.

reliable faster AF? Have you presented examples images and asked for help, aka free help? We can probably save you $1300 by just discussing your current D610 results. Maybe there is a need for another camera for your needs, where a D780 isn't the solution. But, we don't yet know the problem.
Instant focus? Probably not. The AF system is like... (show quote)

Did you mean no difference, you meant at regular bright light when you can shoot around f4.5, at 1/160 & 100-250 ISO. and the speed of the focus also depends on the battery power?
When I meant speed, it is about shooting photos at faster speed on low light on auto ISO.

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Mar 22, 2023 17:07:47   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
tenny52 wrote:
Did you mean no difference, you meant at regular bright light when you can shoot around f4.5, at 1/160 & 100-250 ISO. and the speed of the focus also depends on the battery power?
When I meant speed, it is about shooting photos at faster speed on low light on auto ISO.


I don't understand your clarification. The D610 shoots to 1/4000 sec. That is shutter speed, just like 1/160 sec is shutter speed. Do you mean "shutter speed" or something else when saying "faster speed". If you mean something else, what specifically are you referencing by faster speed?

You can probably save the 1000 words of explanation and the back n forth Q&A by instead presenting an example image of the problem you're looking to solve.

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Mar 22, 2023 17:10:36   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
tenny52 wrote:
The D780 would allow me to shoot at a faster speed, and instant focus, wouldn't it?

Faster lenses can help with that.

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Mar 22, 2023 17:12:06   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
tenny52 wrote:
yes, I just got my Insta360 x3 and am learning how to do the video editing. I will wait for another day when the stock goes up again
good luck! I fear we are going to be in a bear market for quite a while.

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