Artificial Lawyers?
Mar 19, 2023 10:51:38 #
Architect1776 wrote:
Again you are not an Architect.
Models today are rare and drafting for most of us is virtually nonexistent.
Yes some computer could easily pass the test seeing as AI has been grading it for about the last 25 years or so.
Again you apparently have no idea of the scope of what an Architect does.
Models today are rare and drafting for most of us is virtually nonexistent.
Yes some computer could easily pass the test seeing as AI has been grading it for about the last 25 years or so.
Again you apparently have no idea of the scope of what an Architect does.
Wow! I had no idea that architects were so high on the food chain. Maybe the next time someone is seriously ill we should call for an architect rather than a doctor. After all doctors only save lives. Architects build buildings
Mar 19, 2023 11:17:05 #
tuatara
Loc: Orig. NZ - currently SF area
Wyantry wrote:
From the American Bar Association: Latest version... (show quote)
Impressive as it is, it is still just an advanced search and sort algorithm. Same as going down to the DMV and passing the written drivers test, you can get all the answers on line, just memorize them and pass the test. Doesn't mean you understand them, doesn't mean you can make on the fly modifications to those rules based on the situation at hand.
When that machine can win several complex live trials then maybe we have something.
It's neither artificial nor intelligent just, for now, an advance complex machine. Real non-organic machine intelligence will come, probably a long way off, and then the real legal issues will arrive.
One of my favourite discussions of this to date is Star Tek Next Generation episode "The Measure of a Man"
Mar 19, 2023 11:50:22 #
JohnSwanda wrote:
I don't see any photography content in this post. It should have been posted in the Chit-Chat (non-photography talk) forum.
It is. That’s where I found it.
Mar 19, 2023 12:08:24 #
Fredrick wrote:
It is. That’s where I found it.
It was originally posted in Main Photography Discussion. Admin must have moved it where is belonged.
Mar 19, 2023 12:38:31 #
Architect1776 wrote:
Thank God it will not be able to do Architecture.
Not yet.
Mar 19, 2023 12:59:32 #
Architect1776 wrote:
Thank God it will not be able to do Architecture.
But when it does, we will be free of arrogant a** wholes.
Mar 19, 2023 13:50:40 #
Architect1776 wrote:
Thank God it will not be able to do Architecture.
Not necessarily so. I took an advanced course in structures analysis, and the person giving the course provided us with info about AI providing alternative methods of structures design that were, to say the least, a unique way to provide structural integrity. This course was specific to airframes.
Mar 19, 2023 14:29:50 #
TheShoe
Loc: Lacey, WA
Architect1776 wrote:
Thank God it will not be able to do Architecture.
I wouldn't count on that always being true. AI is in its youth.
Mar 19, 2023 15:04:59 #
Architect1776 wrote:
Again you are not an Architect.
Models today are rare and drafting for most of us is virtually nonexistent.
Yes some computer could easily pass the test seeing as AI has been grading it for about the last 25 years or so.
Again you apparently have no idea of the scope of what an Architect does.
Models today are rare and drafting for most of us is virtually nonexistent.
Yes some computer could easily pass the test seeing as AI has been grading it for about the last 25 years or so.
Again you apparently have no idea of the scope of what an Architect does.
My, aren't we in an arrogant mood? I have never said anywhere in my posts that I was an architect.
Being a scale model architecture builder at one time, I had a pretty good idea of what an architect does.
I did have dealings with them about the projects they were doing. So you have no way of knowing what I know.
End of discussion.
will
Mar 19, 2023 15:49:43 #
joehel2 wrote:
The bigger question, when appearing in court can you present your I Phone as your attorney.😊
You will probably be able to at some point...
bwa
Mar 19, 2023 16:23:38 #
The Age of Machines has been here, one way or another, since the 1890s.
It isn't surprising that an AI could do well on the Bar exam (or on other standardized tests). But so far when an AI is wrong, it is amazingly wrong. But that may change too.
It isn't surprising that an AI could do well on the Bar exam (or on other standardized tests). But so far when an AI is wrong, it is amazingly wrong. But that may change too.
Mar 19, 2023 17:15:20 #
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
The Age of Machines has been here, one way or another, since the 1890s.
It isn't surprising that an AI could do well on the Bar exam (or on other standardized tests). But so far when an AI is wrong, it is amazingly wrong. But that may change too.
It isn't surprising that an AI could do well on the Bar exam (or on other standardized tests). But so far when an AI is wrong, it is amazingly wrong. But that may change too.
The same could be said of the AI known as homo sapiens. They can also be 'amazingly wrong'! And both learn from their mistakes.
bwa
Mar 20, 2023 09:47:06 #
As another Registered Architect, I'll back up Architect1776's contention to a point.
One, an Architect (or attorney's) responsibilities go beyond the possible design services AI can achieve. An AI designer can probably accomplish about 90 percent of the architectural design services in the US. We will see AI taking an increasing load from all sectors where processes can be data determined - and architecture is one of those fields.
Two, What AI can't do is be truly creative - that is the product of a mind and cannot be converted into a material process. We also forget that AI is dependent on the minds that provided its programming. That's where the question of bias and manipulation come in.
Three, We are already seeing in tests of ChatGPT that there is bias in how it responds to some questions - that is inevitable. We should fear the ability to create systems we depend on that can direct responses in a particular way - the Twitter files controversy makes that very plain. People with an agenda - particularly to control other people - will always work to undermine personal freedom, autonomy, and knowledge - and use whatever tools are available to accomplish that. If we can establish social "rules" that reject discussions of voting irregularities, alternative medical treatments, or basic biology; how can we expect the creators of AI to provide "idea neutral" platforms? Even AI performing basic data analysis will be hobbled by the preconceptions of the software designers, the range of data selected for the AI to operate on, or the inquiries provided to it. Humans are biased. AI will be also.
One, an Architect (or attorney's) responsibilities go beyond the possible design services AI can achieve. An AI designer can probably accomplish about 90 percent of the architectural design services in the US. We will see AI taking an increasing load from all sectors where processes can be data determined - and architecture is one of those fields.
Two, What AI can't do is be truly creative - that is the product of a mind and cannot be converted into a material process. We also forget that AI is dependent on the minds that provided its programming. That's where the question of bias and manipulation come in.
Three, We are already seeing in tests of ChatGPT that there is bias in how it responds to some questions - that is inevitable. We should fear the ability to create systems we depend on that can direct responses in a particular way - the Twitter files controversy makes that very plain. People with an agenda - particularly to control other people - will always work to undermine personal freedom, autonomy, and knowledge - and use whatever tools are available to accomplish that. If we can establish social "rules" that reject discussions of voting irregularities, alternative medical treatments, or basic biology; how can we expect the creators of AI to provide "idea neutral" platforms? Even AI performing basic data analysis will be hobbled by the preconceptions of the software designers, the range of data selected for the AI to operate on, or the inquiries provided to it. Humans are biased. AI will be also.
Mar 20, 2023 10:42:44 #
Thank you for your thoughtful input. My only comment would be to remind everyone that AI is in its infancy.
We can't even imagine what will be possible in the future. And not all of it Good!
Remember HAL the computer in the movie "2001"?
We can't even imagine what will be possible in the future. And not all of it Good!
Remember HAL the computer in the movie "2001"?
Mar 20, 2023 17:00:26 #
sheldon minsky
Loc: iron mountain michigan
JohnSwanda wrote:
I don't see any photography content in this post. It should have been posted in the Chit-Chat (non-photography talk) forum.
Read the header.
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