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Mar 6, 2023 07:47:07   #
BigQ
 
Canon Powershot GX1 my III is probably the best camera that meets all the criteria. And not big, like most bridge cameras, Sony 10’s, Panasonic, etc.

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Mar 6, 2023 07:53:58   #
ddgm Loc: Hamilton, Ontario & Fort Myers, FL
 
Take him to a camera store and try out cameras until he finds one that suits him.

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Mar 6, 2023 07:55:22   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Requirements:

1) EASY TO USE: Ans: Phone

2) Viewfinder and DSLR shape: Ans: Silly-I. The larger LCD display of the phone is far superior. Silly-II. The shape of a camera has nothing to do with the images it creates. Silly-III. What is the purpose of this 'camera', to impress other people in the gardens and parks or people on the cruise boat?

3) Single zoom lens, not interchangeable: Ans: Is the purpose to create better images or impress people on the cruise? If they desire an SLR shape, get the SLR benefit of a zoom like a DX 18-140mm.

4) Good picture quality: Ans: Is that before or after the images are processed by this photography novice?

5) Easy to download, post to social media, etc: Ans: Can't be easier than the internet-connected phone

6) No price limitations: Ans: Any new equipment will be more expense that just using the phone already onsite.

From my research, a camera like the Lumix DC-FZ80 would seem to meet the criteria, but I can not speak to the EASY TO USE qualities. I would appreciate hearing from Hoggers who have these same general criteria for their impressions and recommendations.

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Sony has similar models the Lumix, such as the Sony RX10 Mk IV (24-600mm equivalent). The pocket models are even more portable for the opportunistic photographer, such as the Sony RX100 MK VII, or the various G-series Canon PowerShot models.

You might be more of a 'friend' in trying to steer your friend away from this idea; and rather, help them be a better phone photographer. Or, help them 'see' a smaller pocket model is a significant step-up from the phone, in both capability and complexity to use. Anything beyond the phone will add complexity to usage, even the simple step of getting the image files off the camera (card).
Requirements: br br 1) EASY TO USE: b Ans: /b ... (show quote)


The OP'S friend should probably visit a camera store & check them out & see if they like what they think they want.

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Mar 6, 2023 09:20:43   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
You left out the most important information: What does he want to photograph and how will he share the images. For landscapes, travel, and family/friends photos, a good cell phone can’t be beat by any camera currently available. I know professional photographers who use iPhones because the image quality iPhones produce (possible with automatic internal AI processing) is not achievable with a camera without exposure bracketing and extensive post processing. Imagine your friend’s disappointment when he compares his camera images with his cellphone’s images.

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Mar 6, 2023 09:58:25   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
My "convenient" camera is a Nikon P7800 because it's small, light, 1" sensor, has both an EVF and a tilt and swivel rear screen and is handier to use than my cellphone. I think your friend might benefit from handling a model like this. It shoots JPEG and RAW, but the RAW can be turned off to save the file space. It's light and compact and quick into action.

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Mar 6, 2023 10:12:56   #
n4jee Loc: New Bern, NC
 
I think your initial idea of the Lumix DC-FZ80 could be improved upon with an APS-C camera. The FZ80 has a tiny 1/2.3 sensor. Ruling out interchangeable lens cameras limits your options. Having one lens and leaving it on the camera is the same as having a bridge camera, but you get to pick what range you want ( and can change your mind later.) Most all modern cameras can be set to auto or program modes which will give excellent results in all but the most extreme lighting situations (and someone with a Phd will figure that out and how to deal with it.) You need to take your friend to a camera store or Best Buy where he can touch and feel various models to see what he likes. He might find something like the Sony A6xxx with a small 16-50mm lens of interest. There are many models similar which are big enough for someone with large hands but small enough to fit in a jacket pocket for walking around.

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Mar 6, 2023 10:22:18   #
radiojohn
 
eBay is full of Fuji Finepix "S" bridge cameras is full working condition cheap.

Just got a 14 MP one with 24-500mm zoom, EVF + rear screen, AA battery power for $12 plus shipping.

Just avoid the older ones that use XD picture cards. Newer ones used common SD cards.

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Mar 6, 2023 11:26:34   #
rcarol
 
As mentioned before the Sony RX10 Mk II is an excellent camera. Its focal length is shorter than the Sony RX10 Mk IV but on the other hand it's smaller in size. Results are excellent.

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Mar 6, 2023 11:48:53   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
radiojohn wrote:
eBay is full of Fuji Finepix "S" bridge cameras is full working condition cheap.

Just got a 14 MP one with 24-500mm zoom, EVF + rear screen, AA battery power for $12 plus shipping.

Just avoid the older ones that use XD picture cards. Newer ones used common SD cards.


How could one resist??? (The problem for me would be the shipping and tariff.)

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Mar 6, 2023 12:20:51   #
CPR Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
 
I use a small Nikon Coolpix A900 and it has all the features asked for and not expensive.

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Mar 6, 2023 16:03:02   #
Phil Singer Loc: Beautiful Downtown Brighton Michigan
 
Any of the flagship phones from Apple, Google, or Samsung will meet all of your friend's requirements. And any of them will make "posting to social media" a trivial exercise.

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Mar 6, 2023 19:18:39   #
Brian45 Loc: Melbourne, Australia
 
ClarkJohnson wrote:
I have been asked by a friend for a recommendation for a camera “better than a cell phone.” I have not bern involved in that segment of the market for quite some time, and some of the criteria are hard to quantify, so I am turning to the UHH brain trust for input.

My friend is an opportunistic photographer, who likes to take long walks in gardens and parks, and take landscape or nature photos when something catches his eye. He does not go out for the purpose of taking pictures.

Please read the following criteria. I would appreciate it if responders could refrain from suggestions that my friend “really should” have a camera that does not meet these criteria.

Requirements:

1) EASY TO USE. My friend feels that, when confronted with a picture opportunity, cell phones take too long too initialize. Wants something that can “point and shoot.”

2) Viewfinder and DSLR shape. NO POCKET CAMERAS, PLEASE, He doesn’t want a full-size camera, but likes the familiar format of the DSLR.

3) Single zoom lens, not interchangeable. Not crazy long.

4) Good picture quality (i.e., better than a cell phone).

5) Easy to download, post to social media, etc. He will NOT be processing RAW images.

6) No price limitations, but clearly advanced cameras with many features are not part of the criteria.

From my research, a camera like the Lumix DC-FZ80 would seem to meet the criteria, but I can not speak to the EASY TO USE qualities. I would appreciate hearing from Hoggers who have these same general criteria for their impressions and recommendations.

Thanks in advance.
I have been asked by a friend for a recommendation... (show quote)


If you can find a good used Fuji S200 EXR, that sounds like the ideal camera.

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Mar 6, 2023 19:42:54   #
Bluefish Loc: Berks County, PA
 
ClarkJohnson wrote:
You are probably correct. But, i think it is also the difficulty of framing a shot in the small LCD of the phone. That’s the reason for the viewfinder.


Sounds like a flip phone. Smart phone screens are huge and the cameras are great. Just tap the camera icon and the shutter release appears.

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Mar 6, 2023 21:28:08   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
ClarkJohnson wrote:
I have been asked by a friend for a recommendation for a camera “better than a cell phone.” I have not bern involved in that segment of the market for quite some time, and some of the criteria are hard to quantify, so I am turning to the UHH brain trust for input.

My friend is an opportunistic photographer, who likes to take long walks in gardens and parks, and take landscape or nature photos when something catches his eye. He does not go out for the purpose of taking pictures.

Please read the following criteria. I would appreciate it if responders could refrain from suggestions that my friend “really should” have a camera that does not meet these criteria.

Requirements:

1) EASY TO USE. My friend feels that, when confronted with a picture opportunity, cell phones take too long too initialize. Wants something that can “point and shoot.”

2) Viewfinder and DSLR shape. NO POCKET CAMERAS, PLEASE, He doesn’t want a full-size camera, but likes the familiar format of the DSLR.

3) Single zoom lens, not interchangeable. Not crazy long.

4) Good picture quality (i.e., better than a cell phone).

5) Easy to download, post to social media, etc. He will NOT be processing RAW images.

6) No price limitations, but clearly advanced cameras with many features are not part of the criteria.

From my research, a camera like the Lumix DC-FZ80 would seem to meet the criteria, but I can not speak to the EASY TO USE qualities. I would appreciate hearing from Hoggers who have these same general criteria for their impressions and recommendations.

Thanks in advance.
I have been asked by a friend for a recommendation... (show quote)


A few years ago I wanted something similar to your friend so I bought a fujifilm S1000 fd. Comes with a 12x zoom and all the bells and whistles. Takes decent photos.

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Mar 6, 2023 21:35:04   #
Stirvim Loc: NYC, NJ, NV
 
Just to give yo an idea where I am coming from = I am probably slughtly more focused at times than your friend, and would consider myself an advanced beginner. I have owned a small half frame (film), an easy to use Minolta SLR (film), then a Sony digital point & shoot which I love(d) - I just wont get rid of it!


I decided that I wanted to get better at photography, and take better, and opportunistic, photos about 6 to 9 years ago, and have been doing my research since.

Cutting to the chase There were many times within that timeframe that I was ready to buy the camera that I think, and thought was perfect - the Sony - Cyber-shot RX100 VII 20.1-Megapixel Digital Camera - Black
Model:DSCRX100M7/BSKU:6364719.

The only negative that I can think of, for your friend, is that there is no viewfinder, only an Electronic LCD display. On the plus side it is really sharp, with a great zoom, and a CMOS sensor. It is easy to use, and feels good in the hand. It also has a pop up flash.

For all of the specs I think Best Buy has them laid out pretty well!
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-cyber-shot-rx100-vii-20-1-megapixel-digital-camera-black/6364719.p?skuId=6364719

The ececutives at Best Buy are AWFUL, from the CEO and all aroud her, but the sales people, and store managers, in at least 4 of the stores I have used, have been exceptionally helpful, and honest. They do also "Price Match."

I still have my old one, as I mentioned, and decided, with all of those years of research, that I want to go somewhat more advanced (with the ability to use various lenses etc. So - my story is that I am about to buy the Sony a6400.

I hope this helps! Have fun!!!
S

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