Snowfall tops 6.5 feet and rainfall tops 5 inches across southern California- damn that Global warming BS (Page 3): Prove me wrong. Listening to many sources of all types. Who said...

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

DennyT wrote:

Who said that ?

Prove me wrong.
Listening to many sources of all types.

Who said it?
I say it, and you cannot prove me wrong in any aspect of what I said.

Bet this chafes your hyde.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Racmanaz wrote:

Nope, stars warm up considerably when they start dying down.

DennyT is having a midlife crisis.

Dennis

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

dennis2146 wrote:

DennyT is having a midlife crisis.

Dennis

I think he/she/they/them is/are having a transgender crisis.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Architect1776 wrote:

Prove me wrong.
Listening to many sources of all types.

Who said it?
I say it, and you cannot prove me wrong in any aspect of what I said.

Bet this chafes your hyde.

Doesn’t bother me a bit - especially since it is you said it and no one else.
You answered the question I ask .

captivecookie Loc: Washington state

Here is a reply I posted the other day in a subject called EV hauling (I think) in the Attic. The subject there was how poorly an electric vehicle did hauling a heavy load. I think climate change and the solutions should be discussed together, so I provide a copy here.

The original post:

This is just one example of the realities of electric vehicles coming to the light of day. They also generate more greenhouse gasses while procuring the necessary raw materials to make the batteries. One such material, cobalt, is mined by the poorest of people in the Congo for pennies (or monetary equivalent), in vast, unsafe open pit mines. After the useful life of the battery is passed, a new one must be bought for thousands of dollars. The old one is a toxic lump.

I've no conflict with the concept that climate change is happening, but everything they're doing about it is making things worse. There are estimated to be about one hundred million gas or diesel vehicles on the road. No power grid in existence can handle that amount of energy need. Coal plants will be fired up again. The environment will be worse.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Are you sure??

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/comparative-life-cycle-greenhouse-gas-emissions-of-a-mid-size-bev-and-ice-vehicle

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/lifetime-emissions-of-evs-are-lower-than-gasoline-cars-experts-say.html

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

DennyT wrote:

Doesn’t bother me a bit - especially since it is you said it and no one else.
You answered the question I ask .

captivecookie Loc: Washington state

Hey, denny, I'll get around to reading those links sometime tinight, i hope.. Sometimes I'm not really sure about everything, but I enjoy reading the ins and outs of an issue to try to come to a conclusion. My current beliefs are in large part due to some TED Talks on YouTube. About the cobalt mines, I'm sure they are hell on Earth.

captivecookie Loc: Washington state

DennyT wrote:

Are you sure??

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/comparative-life-cycle-greenhouse-gas-emissions-of-a-mid-size-bev-and-ice-vehicle

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/lifetime-emissions-of-evs-are-lower-than-gasoline-cars-experts-say.html

Thanks for the links, denny. Made for interesting reading. Below is the TED talk I saw on the subject, which, so far, is the most balanced look into EVs I've seen.

https://youtu.be/S1E8SQde5rk

My belief that pursuing EVs as vigorously as we are is going to hit us hard with unwanted repercussions is more a matter of a personal faith I've had develop after hearing a variety of sources produce a variety of opinions. In my experience, both pro and con are equally represented.

This produces a problem for me, because I think these are scientific questions with scientific answers, but what we are actually seeing is not a consensus at all. Hopefully, all sides are using t h e scientific process. They should have observed anecdotal data, and from that developed a possible hypothesis that might explain their observations. Having done that, they should have created an experiment designed to disprove their hypothesis. They would have to have the discipline to correct themselves if they found out their presumptions were wrong.

Since there is absolutely no way I can know if all sources are conducting themselves scientifically, it becomes my responsibility to assign a hierarchy of belief within my mind, thereby maintaining order. Therefore, for now I maintain the belief that we won't be able to adjust fast enough to avoid catastrophe if there are only electric vehicles on the road.

There are many truths I hold only as a matter of faith, since I've never done anything myself to produce them. The speed of light being 186,000 miles per second is one such fact held in faith. That the Earth is round is another such faithful fact.

Anyway, thanks for the thoughts your links generated.

btbg

DennyT wrote:

Are you sure??

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/comparative-life-cycle-greenhouse-gas-emissions-of-a-mid-size-bev-and-ice-vehicle

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/lifetime-emissions-of-evs-are-lower-than-gasoline-cars-experts-say.html

That might be true, but you are forgetting the problem with the climate change alarmists. We are allowing China to rapidly increase the number of coal fired power plants that they have. The climate deal that Trump got us out of and Biden has gotten us back into has nothing to do with climate change. The proof is that China is allowed to continue to increase their CO2 production as are Russia, Turkey and India. If we went to zero CO2 and completely totaled our economy the worlds production of CO2 would still increase.

And, CO2 is a small percentage of greenhouse gases, and it is a gas that has been at higher levels in the past than they are now. So, we are making decisions that just pass production off to places like China that pollute far more than us in the name of protecting the environment. If we really wanted to protect the earth we would take production away from places like China, not shift production to there.

We are letting China have all the lithium production and not mining here because of possible environmental damage. But ask yourself the obvious question is there going to be more environment damage from lithium mining in the U.S. or in China. The obvious answer is in China. So, to sum things up the decisions that we are making in the name of climate change are not helping the situation, assuming that we even have a serious problem, current policy is actually making the situation worse. Whether an EV or a gas powered car cause more greenhouse gas over their lifetime is not the real issue. The issue is that the "environmentalists" are making the problem worse by moving production from places that produce with limited environmental damage to places that produce with far more environmental damage. Good policy would be to encourage production in the places that have the cleanest energy, not in the places that have the dirtiest energy. We have it bassawkard.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

btbg wrote:

That might be true, but you are forgetting the pro... (show quote)

As you point out here the sole purpose of climate change crap is to weaken the USA and give our enemies economic and military superiority.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

btbg wrote:

That might be true, but you are forgetting the pro... (show quote)

You used the phrase(s)
“ We are allowing China…”
“ We are allowing China…”

Why not worry about America and what we are doing ?

jcboy3

DennyT wrote:

The operative word is climate change. The warming of the planet is promoting shifting of historic weather patterns as seen ."

The operative word is "global warming", but it's global. Wierd little outliers are not significant or relevant.

As shown in this graph, temperature is spiking up.

What can be done? In my opinion, nothing. With 7 billion people on this planet, which only has resources to support fewer than 1 billion at the consumption level of the United States. There is no way to stop this trend.

Luckily, I'll be dead before Social Security runs out of money and the world becomes generally uninhabitable.

If you have spawn, too bad for them.

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Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

jcboy3 wrote:

The operative word is "global warming", ... (show quote)

And if the USA is the only country destroying its economy for fake science what good is it to resolve your fantasy?
The USA is far and away one of the cleanest industrialized nations on the planet.

Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona

To me it is really sad that some humans think they can control the climate, whether it is cooling or warming, when the planet has been doing it all by itself for millions of years, sometimes fast, sometimes slow. No, these people would rather impose controls over you all based on the argument that they can control the climate when anything they think they can do will actually no impact whatsoever.