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Feb 21, 2023 13:04:06   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
alexol wrote:
I'm curious as to what type of truly useful answers you expect from a site (apparently) dedicated more to camera equipment and photography technology more than to photography as art, and with an exceedingly high average age?

The vehemence with which encroaching celphone capability is denied is both laughable and revealing.

One of the next posts will surely start taking about long lenses and birds in flight, blah blah.

Better to ask the same question on a dedicated celphone photography site - which will astonish you - as well as here - the reality is somewhere in between.
I'm curious as to what type of truly useful answer... (show quote)


Prob. the same folks that resisted digital over film... Folks, esp. older ones are endeared to what they have been accustomed to... What WOULD be interesting if someone wants to do the research, is HOW much $$$ do companies like Apple, etc... spend on R&D compared to Canon, Nikon , Sony etc... in the field of image capture and manipulation ?

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Feb 21, 2023 13:55:20   #
alexol
 
gvarner wrote:
Most usage is texting and social media and photos.


Clearly, I'm sure this comment was based on someone's extensive, detailed research and couldn't possibly be some sort of wild personal bias.

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Feb 21, 2023 13:57:10   #
alexol
 
MrBob wrote:
Prob. the same folks that resisted digital over film... Folks, esp. older ones are endeared to what they have been accustomed to... What WOULD be interesting if someone wants to do the research, is HOW much $$$ do companies like Apple, etc... spend on R&D compared to Canon, Nikon , Sony etc... in the field of image capture and manipulation ?


Sometimes I think it would be a surprise to find that a portion of the UHHers have graduated from a B&W to a color TV...

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Feb 21, 2023 14:25:56   #
kufengler Loc: Meridian, Idaho 83646
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
There is only so much a telephone can do, be it a land line or cell phone. As far as I can tell the phone capabilities are about equal in all phones. So what are you going to use to sell your product. The companies seem to have decided on camera capabilities. Simple as that.


I did just get the Galaxy S23 Ultra, 12 GB Ram, 512GB storage. I paid $868.40 including tax.

We can call them phones, but in reality they are small powerful computers. I probably use mine more for photos, texting, look up information with Google and when I'm on secure WIFI I use it to do some purchases on Amazon,Walmart etc.
I can use it to pay for things at stores, gas stations using GPay. I even use it to call a few people. I'm working on getting a feel for the camera which has some pretty nice features.

My main camera is a Canon EOS RP with a 24-240 Lens. (which didn't cost $868, but a lot more) I'm having some nerve and hip joint issues (from some dumb things I did as a kid, I'm 74) which make it hard to hold that camera steady, much less of an issue with the Mobile Phone.

I still believe you can't beat a decent SLR, DSLR or Mirrorless camera, or even a nice point and shoot camera, which I also have: Nikon Coolpix S9700. (a great little camera BTW)

The picture was taken with my previous Samsung Mobile!



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Feb 21, 2023 14:43:42   #
Red6
 
Retina wrote:
One thing than digital pocket cameras and phones enlightened me about art is how some people who don't consider themselves photographers have a real talent for composition that might go unnoticed and unpracticed if we were still on film and DTMF land lines.


Agreed. My wife has never been interested in photography as most of us know it. She does not know and does not feel the need to know what shutter speed, aperture, or ISO means.

However, she has a natural talent for composition. Her photos with her iPhone 14 are often breathtaking compared to mine. She can see something and 5 seconds later has a well-composed image that more often than not beats the socks off my images.

I often ask myself if my photos would be better if I just get rid of all my equipment and bought a better iPhone.

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Feb 21, 2023 14:54:27   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Architect1776 wrote:
So you always have a regular camera with you?
I use the phone camera all the time including when coming home from shopping and got plowed into while stopped at a red light.
Work involves a cell phone camera all the time to show a detail or copy a document needing to go out right then.


Depends if you call an OLY TG-6 a regular camera. If so, the answer is yes! I also had it when I got into a wreck in Tampa. Proved there was no damage to the car I hit, saved my azz!

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Feb 21, 2023 14:56:12   #
Red6
 
alexol wrote:
Jerry, obviously you spend a huge amount of time researching various topics and are well versed on myriad of topics. Perhaps spend a little time on celphone tech, so "It seems that cameras are the only part of a cell phone that makers can really improve" can be safely deleted;)

While it is true that phone cameras (lenses, sensors, software, controls) are the most evident advances, there are many others, most related to sensors of many kinds including light, color temp & values, accelerometers (angles, directions, g-forces), temperature, humidity, heart rate, proximity, pressure, gyroscopes, magnetometers etc. Its an impressive list. Ask the person who's iPhone automatically called emergency services after the accelerometer recorded a high impact, location monitors "knew" she was in a car, upside down at the side of a road, while recording heartbeat and BP levels amongst other things. Many elderly people use their phones as first alert tools for falls etc.

Technology advances at an incredible rate - the first gyroscopes for radio controlled helicopters originally were the size of four decks of cards and cost many thousands of dollars for the truly dedicated few and now micro helicopters with 1000s times the capability costs under $15 delivered from China.

Phones and cameras share one primary characteristic - a total dependence on sensors of one sort or another. Hard to say whether phones are one of the leading drivers of consumer oriented sensors, or perhaps the beneficiary of sensors for other purposes, most probably both.

Advances in our culture do not always come from where we expect. Arguably, the primary drivers of internet commerce (which is ultimately after all what the internet is for and about now) and personal computer technology generally, are pornography and gaming.
Jerry, obviously you spend a huge amount of time r... (show quote)


One thing that is not known to the general public is the effect of cellphone manufacturing and production. The electronics industry has benefitted immensely from the cell phone.

As a retired electronics manufacturing engineer the benefits were very obvious. The cell phone people drove the electronics production equipment design and technology to new heights. We would not have the capabilities we have today to make things smaller, faster, and with higher quality levels without the cell phone industry.

Cell phone companies, in their drive to stay competitive, demanded faster IC chips, better design tools, faster more accurate production equipment, and higher and higher quality standards. All of which helped other companies in the electronic production business. All this started initially with Motorola and then was pushed even further ahead with Apple and Samsung.

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Feb 21, 2023 16:00:14   #
OldCADuser Loc: Irvine, CA
 
I tend to only use the camera on my phone in two situations, a) I'm out and about and I see something that I want a picture of and it's all I have with me, b) when I'm taking shots with my actual camera and I want a record of where it was that I took the photo. My Sony A6500 doesn't have bulit-in GPS (my old Sony A65 DSLR did) so it doesn't geo-tag the images. That way, when I'm archiving the images and need to provide an accurate location for my database, I simply use the image from the iPhone to get the place name. For the record, my phone, an iPhone 11 Pro, takes pretty good pictures and my stock photo house has recently started to accept images from high-end iPhones, so I tend to depend on it more than I used to.

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Feb 21, 2023 16:01:25   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
alexol wrote:
Interesting comment, well said.

Sadly, the converse is also true, zero gift but huge interest in pursuing it;) Remember that one neighbourhood guy, 'you must come over to see my slides of our vacation'. Subsequently, 'here, in slide 37, this is the family loading the car before leaving' while you desperately try to avoid snoring too loudly.

Not hugely different of course from people taking selfies while eating their 1/4 pounder...


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Feb 21, 2023 16:27:41   #
clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa
 
For our fall vacation I could buy my wife virtually any camera in general production and no be left impoverished and living under a bridge. She would be thankful. She would look it over and admire the obvious fine workmanship. Then she’d put it back in the box, in a safe place and be glad she didn’t have to lug that monster walking around airports, museums and restaurants. I see the latest iPhone in her future. We don’t make ginormous prints.

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Feb 21, 2023 16:36:08   #
OldCADuser Loc: Irvine, CA
 
Yes, a couple of years ago I bought my wife a Sony DSC-HX400V and she used it on one trip, but them she went back to using her iPhone exclusively, and now that she's got an iPhone 13 Pro Max, she sees no reason whatsoever to ever carry around a 'real camera' again.

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Feb 21, 2023 16:36:43   #
jcboy3
 
sailwiz wrote:
I'm not mr. science or tech, so please explain to me why a "company spent a large portion of its Unpacked presentation outlining the various new camera improvements: a higher-resolution 200-megapixel sensor, wider dynamic range, steadier optical image stabilization for video, faster autofocus and clearer shots in low light, among other upgrades" and our cameras can't seem to match or perform like that. Thank you.


My cameras take better pictures.

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Feb 21, 2023 16:38:26   #
Richard Engelmann Loc: Boulder, Colorado
 
There's photography, and then there's taking pictures. I find my phone to be extremely useful for capturing images of vaccination records, driver's licenses, receipts for expense reports, the model number of appliances, the back of my TV for locations of ports, etc. It also makes wonderful timelapse videos. I used both my Canon gear and my phone on vacation in Europe and I was happy with the results from both. I do like the additional editing capability with RAW images...

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Feb 21, 2023 16:40:40   #
alexol
 
jcboy3 wrote:
My cameras take better pictures.


Celphones can take BEAUTIFUL photos.

Perhaps a more accurate statement might be "I am able to create better images with my cameras".

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Feb 21, 2023 16:42:04   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
jcboy3 wrote:
My cameras take better pictures.


Cameras don't take pictures, people do If they know how to properly use their cameras, the photos can be better

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