train question
Feb 18, 2023 09:14:47 #
DennyT wrote:
Mayor Pete was wrong - either intentionally or through ignorance
The ECP braking system. Would not have prevented. Thus accident
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/ohio-train-derailment-ecp-brake-system-mandate-trump-dot-administration-fact-check/536-d0ad26f7-84b6-4707-bcb1-7dc6e0a9f09f
The ECP braking system. Would not have prevented. Thus accident
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/ohio-train-derailment-ecp-brake-system-mandate-trump-dot-administration-fact-check/536-d0ad26f7-84b6-4707-bcb1-7dc6e0a9f09f
I agree
Feb 18, 2023 09:47:46 #
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
Travelwp can speak for himself, but I think the question was put forth in extreme sarcasm. Mayor Pete blamed the train derailment on Trump because he rescinded a rule for a new braking system.
Sarcasm!?? You give travelwp too much credibility. The way he pursued the “question” shows me he believed the idea of brakes that would work AFTER derailment.
Feb 18, 2023 10:14:30 #
The question was meant to show the uselessness of Buttgag. Success and truth. Any number of factors or reasons could have lead to a derailment, including abject operator stupidity. Watch Unstoppable with Denzel Washington. Brakes are brakes regardless of where they are. Yes, train brakes can work after a derailment. They probably drop from 100% effective to 1% but they are still brakes. Same as car brakes that drop from 100% on a clear, dry summer day to 1% on a cold, ice-covered winter day, and to 0% when the car turns over. Oh, and Dewey could be prepping your fast food meal at any time.
Feb 18, 2023 10:52:37 #
Truth Seeker
Loc: High Mountains of the Western US
travelwp wrote:
If a train derails, (no longer on the rails), can the brakes stop the train?
Feb 18, 2023 11:00:00 #
All wrong on all counts
1. the operators received warning about axle failure and should have stopped. Unknown at this time whether they tried or not.
2. The type of new braking system would not have been on this train given the load mix and size
3. Trump did not cancel the ECP brake rules. Built into the law was a requirement for economic evaluation. Lobbyist pushed this and it turned out not worth it .
4. Buttigeig did not to my knowledge claim the system would have prevented the accident . He certainly took a shot at trump administration which was false.
1. the operators received warning about axle failure and should have stopped. Unknown at this time whether they tried or not.
2. The type of new braking system would not have been on this train given the load mix and size
3. Trump did not cancel the ECP brake rules. Built into the law was a requirement for economic evaluation. Lobbyist pushed this and it turned out not worth it .
4. Buttigeig did not to my knowledge claim the system would have prevented the accident . He certainly took a shot at trump administration which was false.
Feb 18, 2023 11:43:00 #
travelwp wrote:
If a train derails, (no longer on the rails), can the brakes stop the train?
If the cars separate the air line the brakes will set.
Feb 18, 2023 11:49:44 #
dave.speeking wrote:
If the cars separate the air line the brakes will set.
Not much help on the cars that have left the rail... which is what travelwp seemed to imply (at least that is the notion that I poked him with... just for fun, of course).
Some people take things too seriously.
Feb 18, 2023 11:53:08 #
dave.speeking wrote:
If the cars separate the air line the brakes will set.
That could have contributed to the crash. Couldn’t it ? If the axle failure happened and “ that car “‘separated and brakes went on. But all cars behind did not brake ?
Seems the new system is designed to take care of problem that by apply all brakes at same time. In derailments we always see pictures of an accordion type pile up.
Just a thought
Feb 18, 2023 11:57:53 #
Once the train, or any car or engine, of the train is off the track bed it's too heavy to stay on the top of the ground and will dig in. So, once off the track bed no brake system will be of any use.
Feb 18, 2023 12:08:47 #
dougbev3
Loc: Pueblo, Colorado
As soon as the train goes into "Emergency " every brake is applied. But it takes time to stop. The derailment here was not caused by the tracks - it was caused by a overheated axle that broke apart.
Feb 18, 2023 12:17:17 #
JohnFrim wrote:
Sarcasm!?? You give travelwp too much credibility. The way he pursued the “question” shows me he believed the idea of brakes that would work AFTER derailment.
As usual John you have it ass backwards. The OP was pointing out for Buttigieg's benefit that brakes do NOT work after the train left the tracks. Nice of you to purposefully make his remark seem out of place but the fact is it was you who apparently missed the train on this one, AS USUAL. Does anyone know if the brakes were even applied before the train derailed?
Dennis
Feb 18, 2023 12:20:59 #
dougbev3
Loc: Pueblo, Colorado
dennis2146 wrote:
As usual John you have it ass backwards. The OP was pointing out for Buttigieg's benefit that brakes do NOT work after the train left the tracks. Nice of you to purposefully make his remark seem out of place but the fact is it was you who apparently missed the train on this one, AS USUAL. Does anyone know if the brakes were even applied before the train derailed?
Dennis
Dennis
Dennis - You know how to read - you just don't understand what you have read.
Feb 18, 2023 12:28:51 #
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
I think the question was put forth in extreme sarcasm.
Feb 18, 2023 12:30:31 #
DennyT wrote:
Mayor Pete was wrong - either intentionally or through ignorance. The ECP braking system. Would not have prevented. This accident
Feb 18, 2023 12:34:02 #
dougbev3 wrote:
Dennis - You know how to read - you just don't understand what you have read.
Well then you point out where I am wrong. I will be right here.
Dennis
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