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Feb 10, 2023 10:18:19   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
StanMac wrote:
Go back to shooting film. You will begin to shoot more thoughtfully.

Stan


I agree completely with what you say about shooting thoughtfully. I don’t think you need to go back to film to do it though.

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Feb 10, 2023 10:24:42   #
Peteso Loc: Blacks Hills
 
Well, that’s for sure. Let’s not lose sight of what digital darkrooms offer. What has not changed since the film days is the physics of light. However, IMHO, the real quantum leap is digital darkrooms versus “real” dark, darkrooms and chemicals.

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Feb 10, 2023 10:25:08   #
FreddB Loc: PA - Delaware County
 
Longshadow wrote:
I believe he was selective in what he shot.


I believe he was selective in what he SHOWED; just sayin'

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Feb 10, 2023 10:27:10   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
FreddB wrote:
I believe he was selective in what he SHOWED; just sayin'

If he used an 8x10 view camera, I don't think he took 50+ films with him.

just sayin'

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Feb 10, 2023 10:27:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The master has deleted more images than the beginner has ever taken.

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Feb 10, 2023 10:32:34   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Make a plan before you shoot. Shoot with purpose. Question why you shoot multiple images of the same thing and avoid doing that. Avoid being a snap shooter. The list goes on.

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Feb 10, 2023 10:35:13   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I'm working on three shooting dates from last summer's Chicago Air & Water Show. I don't have the original statitics, but let's assume 1000 frames per day, probably 3000 frames to start editing (probably actually more, but I've culled more than once since last August). As I pause to respond to this post, I've just reduced the count to 382. And, I know there's still some crap that will be deleted in the next culling round, but I want to update the keywords first. I hope there's really less than 100 of the very very best from what is now my 8th year of shooting this event.

There's nothing wrong with shooting a lot. But, there is something wrong with editing too many and keeping too many. Do you really have 2400 images worth editing in detail (6000 x .4)? Do you really even have 240 images work editing and keeping? Wasting time on editing inferior images is a discouraging waste of time.

You might need a better culling approach and / or tools and / or critical eye.

Regarding workflow, do you inspect your images at the 1:1 pixel level to confirm each image as a candidate keeper is, in fact, in sharp focus at the relevant details?

Regarding tools, do you have software and hardware that immediately renders the image details for 1:1 inspection? Do you have tools that render side-by-side images for comparison of similar images and a forced rejection of one, even if both seem acceptable? Do you have a database tool that lets you compare similar images, even across years, to confirm improvement and to reject more inferior and / or complete duplicative frames of the same subject?

Do you look at every image critically, with an approach of: give me a reason to not delete this frame? One must delete as many frames as needed to isolate the keeper. Consider what you'll do with each individual image? Would you share an inferior image, knowing in other's eyes, you're only as good as the worst image you share publicly? What would you do with two identical / near identical frames of the same subject? Couldn't you just re-crop from virtual copies of the 'best of all' frame and create different renderings?

If interested in some of the tools I use, continue to respond the discussion.
I'm working on three shooting dates from last summ... (show quote)


Pardon my ignorance please.
Just what is culling?

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Feb 10, 2023 10:36:13   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
Mac wrote:
I agree completely with what you say about shooting thoughtfully. I don’t think you need to go back to film to do it though.


Well, well, well... we are having another two camp debate: thoughtful photograph vs shoot ans ask questions later.

Looks like
JPEG vs RAW
SOOC vs PP

Each own has his or her technique, there is no "right or wrong" here.

Fo me, each time the camera doesn't click it's a missed opportunity.

Case in question: once I did a head shot of one of my nieces at her birthday, which went pretty well. As I edited the image in Capture One, I noticed a nice butterfly that was entering the frame from the left... maybe, if I had shot 20 or so frames with continuous drive (my A7C cand do 10 FPS) the butterfly might have flown just over her head making the photo awesome.

Lesson learned: you are not going back in time, film belongs to the past... and that perfect moment will never happen again.

Shoot, shoot, shoot, until you empty your cl... fill you card.

Ask questions later.

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Feb 10, 2023 10:36:53   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
charles tabb wrote:
Pardon my ignorance please.
Just what is culling?


Deleting the slack, i.e: unacceptable photos by any criteria you define.

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Feb 10, 2023 10:49:00   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
jlg1000 wrote:
Well, well, well... we are having another two camp debate: thoughtful photograph vs shoot ans ask questions later.

Looks like
JPEG vs RAW
SOOC vs PP

Each own has his or her technique, there is no "right or wrong" here.

Fo me, each time the camera doesn't click it's a missed opportunity.

Case in question: once I did a head shot of one of my nieces at her birthday, which went pretty well. As I edited the image in Capture One, I noticed a nice butterfly that was entering the frame from the left... maybe, if I had shot 20 or so frames with continuous drive (my A7C cand do 10 FPS) the butterfly might have flown just over her head making the photo awesome.

Lesson learned: you are not going back in time, film belongs to the past... and that perfect moment will never happen again.

Shoot, shoot, shoot, until you empty your cl... fill you card.

Ask questions later.
Well, well, well... we are having another two camp... (show quote)


And like lots of silly UHH discussions, the idea of shooting 1 "considered shot" has nothing (ZERO, NIL, ZILCH, NADA) with many types of photography, especially modern digital photography. Proposing to shoot like film, probable means you don't even shoot film in Feb 2023, where the cost is easily $1.00 per frame. Proposing to shoot like film also seems to indicate you didn't shoot sports, or wildlife, or similar, even back in the day, because that's not how to succeed in these genres in a digital format in Feb 2023.

Ripping off 5 duplicate frames of something static, that's probably equally silly, especially if you're standing there straight up like a statue. But, working around a subject, say a full 360 circle and varying your eye-level from ground level to overhead, here take as many as possible of all the different views, to justify why you even considered the subject in the first place.

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Feb 10, 2023 10:50:07   #
radiomantom Loc: Plymouth Indiana
 
johnm1369 wrote:
I want to open a topic that has been bugging at me for a while. Don’t know if it has been up for discussion on UHH but here it goes.

When I am out doing a shoot, I shoot so many images that I feel as though I am over shooting. For instance, I went to England on a pilgrimage back in the summer. I shot over 6000 images. Didn’t realize that I had that many until I got home. Then you have to load them on your computer, analyze them, decide which ones to keep, do PP, and so on. I can usually get rid of 60% of them just because they suck.

Trying to figure out how possibly shoot less. Or, just shoot to my hearts content. Has anyone had this situation and how did you handle it.

Just curious!
I want to open a topic that has been bugging at me... (show quote)


I have been shooting photos for 60 yrs. now. Started with B/W, processing and printing my own photos. Switched to shooting slide film for many yrs. When shooting slides you really had no control of the results once you took the picture and so you really had to take time to think what the final result would be at the time of exposure.
Since switching to digital some yrs. ago I still find myself pretty much in the slide shooting mode. I think out the final image before pressing the shutter release and consequently I have very little work to do in post processing.
I have a good friend that basically started taking photos in the digital age and when him and I go on a shoot hs camera sounds like a machine gun every time presses the shutter.
I guess it boils down as to how much time you want to spend on the computer. Good luck.

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Feb 10, 2023 11:02:37   #
lorvey Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
You can always delete a shot you've taken, but you cannot create a shot if you have not pressed the button!

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Feb 10, 2023 11:13:10   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
And like lots of silly UHH discussions, the idea of shooting 1 "considered shot" has nothing (ZERO, NIL, ZILCH, NADA) with many types of photography, especially modern digital photography. Proposing to shoot like film, probable means you don't even shoot film in Feb 2023, where the cost is easily $1.00 per frame. Proposing to shoot like film also seems to indicate you didn't shoot sports, or wildlife, or similar, even back in the day, because that's not how to succeed in these genres in a digital format in Feb 2023.

Ripping off 5 duplicate frames of something static, that's probably equally silly, especially if you're standing there straight up like a statue. But, working around a subject, say a full 360 circle and varying your eye-level from ground level to overhead, here take as many as possible of all the different views, to justify why you even considered the subject in the first place.
And like lots of silly UHH discussions, the idea o... (show quote)


I watched a video titled "Working the Scene". It explained in detail and in simple terms what you are describing.

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Feb 10, 2023 11:19:09   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Yes, some restraint is desirable. With modern digital cameras, you can shoot hundreds of pictures in a few minutes. But what do you do when you start processing them? The only advice I can give is take fewer shots. Ask yourself if you really need a particular scene.

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Feb 10, 2023 11:21:35   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
gvarner wrote:
I watched a video titled "Working the Scene". It explained in detail and in simple terms what you are describing.


I shoot as much film today as any active UHH member. I get the 1-shot consideration, but that is when I'm actually shooting film. I find I'm a lot more conservative in film, even if I circle the subject and get down on a knee. I don't push the wide apertures as much or other 'artistic' approaches.

But, with a digital camera, I can try all the possibilities, including the 'blind' overhead shot as my older cameras don't have a rotating screen. These wild shots may yield something better than anything else. Or, just wasted effort. I don't know until I get home and can see the results on a large monitor in detail.

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