Concord vs. Piper --- France vs. Flushing
Feb 5, 2023 13:07:09 #
alexol wrote:
I had read somewhere that there were some political issues: Concorde was built primarily for cross Atlantic trips and reduced travel time very considerably. The US didn't have a supersonic airliner and didnt want to be seen as behind the times technically so excuses were found - noise abatement, primarily, to disallow it's use within US airspace.
I don't know how true that it, but it sounds to be about par for the course.
I don't know how true that it, but it sounds to be about par for the course.
Noise abatement is a real issue at KTOA, Torrance airport. Need a really steep climb to prevent fines.
An older picture of my Mooney 201j Cockpit
Feb 5, 2023 13:15:57 #
The Concorde ran over a wear strip from a DC-10 cowling that was attached improperly which took off just 5 minutes before the Concorde. The wear strip puncture the tire and a piece of the tire hit the fuel tank but didn't not penetrate it but caused the pressure inside the tank to cause a weak point on the tank to burst. It sprayed fuel on the left engine and the engine caught fire. It happened while the plane was still on the runway but it had passed V1 so the takeoff couldn't be aborted. The DC-10 was owned by Continental Airline.
Feb 5, 2023 13:50:11 #
BebuLamar wrote:
The Concorde ran over a wear strip from a DC-10 co... (show quote)
100% correct.I used to watch the Concord take off from Kennedy at 12 PM daily when I was in college. I had a sound meter with me for a class I was taking, and the reading was 112 dB over 10 miles away.
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Feb 5, 2023 13:56:08 #
Feb 5, 2023 13:58:22 #
alexol wrote:
...which calculates out to around 166dB at 100ft.
I remember that my ears did ache when it took off.
Feb 5, 2023 15:00:29 #
John N wrote:
True, it was an engine failure but it was not a fa... (show quote)
I checked the price of a ticket once - 10-12K one way. I would have loved to have flown it, just once.
Feb 5, 2023 15:12:55 #
NDMarks
Loc: Dublin, Ca
One problem the Concorde had was that it was a fuel hog, especially considering the small cabin size. I don't think anyone made a profit with it. Noise was an issue too. As far as only one pilot, I don't see that ever happening. The biggest problem with it is the requirement for two people in the cockpit at all times, hopefully to prevent the cases where a single pilot decides he/she wants to die (as happened with the Germanwings plane) and takes all the passengers along for the ride.
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Feb 5, 2023 15:56:02 #
Feb 5, 2023 16:40:39 #
I grew up in Flushing and I remember airplanes interfering with our watching tv. I think it was "Idlewild" and "Laguardia" airports but maybe Flushing Airport was another "culprit".
Feb 6, 2023 08:26:24 #
Feb 6, 2023 08:30:20 #
starlifter wrote:
What about the fire caused by a ruptured fuel tank?
It brought the plane down killing all 109 people on board and 4 on the ground.
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Feb 6, 2023 09:24:11 #
bobbyjohn wrote:
Some GeeWiz about Flushing Airport: br br • Takin... (show quote)
There was a crash at a small airport in the past year. The plane hit a tall tower which was directly in line with the runway. So much for planning.
A FedEx plane was landing in Austin recently, while a passenger jet was given clearance to take off on the same runway. They came within 150 feet of each other. That has happened several times lately.
This guy is very good. He's a commercial pilot, so he knows what he's talking about. This one got him annoyed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvUOHa8n7aQ
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