Is Adobe Photoshop Elements 11 a good buy!
Dec 3, 2012 09:43:34 #
sodapop wrote:
Sorry for the dumb question of the day but what are"actions?" Another word for plug ins or something different.
Actions are macros: a programmed series of steps. Lightroom calls them presets.
So for example you can have an action that changes exposure, increases saturation, and sharpens any photo you apply it to by the same amount.
You can't create them in Elements but you can execute them. To create them you need Photoshop.
Dec 3, 2012 10:09:45 #
Thanks for clearing that up for me!
MtnMan wrote:
Actions are macros: a programmed series of steps. Lightroom calls them presets.
So for example you can have an action that changes exposure, increases saturation, and sharpens any photo you apply it to by the same amount.
You can't create them in Elements but you can execute them. To create them you need Photoshop.
sodapop wrote:
Sorry for the dumb question of the day but what are"actions?" Another word for plug ins or something different.
Actions are macros: a programmed series of steps. Lightroom calls them presets.
So for example you can have an action that changes exposure, increases saturation, and sharpens any photo you apply it to by the same amount.
You can't create them in Elements but you can execute them. To create them you need Photoshop.
Dec 3, 2012 14:07:37 #
sodapop wrote:
Sorry for the dumb question of the day but what are"actions?" Another word for plug ins or something different.
Actions (.atn files) and plug-ins (.8BF files on Windows, .plugin files on Mac) are two different kinds of add-ons. Actions are little scripts which automate the steps for doing something. Photoshop Elements cannot create actions; Photoshop can. However, the action has to be written with commands which Photoshop Elements can execute. If you try to run an action containing a step which Photoshop Elements cannot perform, you will get an error message. You can always ignore the message and continue, but the results may not be what you want.
Depending on the version of Photoshop Elements you have, actions can be accessed via the Action Player (Guided Edit), the Effects Panel (Photo Effects tab), or the Window menu (Window>Actions). Plug-ins are accessed via the Filter menu. Some plug-ins are accessed via File>Automation Tools. Ex.: Perfect Effects 4 from onOneSoftware.
Dec 3, 2012 22:14:25 #
RedIris wrote:
I wouldn't "buy" anything else. It does ... (show quote)
Red Iris...Lightroom was never designed for post processing in the first place. It was not designed for what Adobe thought "photographers needed." Lightroom is a professional storage and cataloging program designed for professional photographers to store, manipulate, catalog and find photographs in the vast ibrary of pictures that they take, and easilly retrieve the exact picture that they want from their vast library. The post processing functions within lightroom were placed within it on the request of professionals who liked the idea of doing MINIMAL post processing without having to leave Lightroom, or permanently altering the original photo. Although the compatability of Topaz and NIK plugins have greatly increased the post processing capability within Lightroom it is still designed primarily as a cataloging program. Professionals will do some basic post processing in Lightroom and then move the photo into Photoshop to really complete their post processing. I feel that elements is a great starting point for amateur photographers, but that is exactly what it is, a starting point. It is very limited compared to Photoshop, especially CS4 and beyond and doesn't have the ability to really, finally post process.
Dec 4, 2012 00:07:00 #
madcapmagishion wrote:
I currently do not have any post production capabi... (show quote)
I say get it. I did....
As for Lightroom.... I have it and only use Elements for roughly 1 in 100 images when I have to fill in a background or combine photos to get everyone smiling with eyes open.
Lightroom is not just for "minimal" adjustments. Whatever it used to be it's a very powerful tool now but you will still need an editor like Elements from time to time so go ahead and get Elements, it's a great deal.
Dec 4, 2012 22:45:57 #
LOL Didn't mean to start a controversy. Lightroom has become more powerful since ver 1, especially now that Topaz and NIK plug ins (at least some of them) can be used within Lightroom 3 and 4. But Lightroom is still a cataloging program with some minimal post production capability. Nothing like what can be done in Elements and especially what can be done in Photoshop. Although now being embraced by a lot of amateurs, it was still designed as a cataloging program for professionalswith only a small number of the post processing features contained in Photoshop. In fact, what is available in Lightroom is almost identical to what is contained in Photoshop Camera Raw, which also is designed for rudimentary post production. For a lot of amateurs this is more than enough, but for most professionals it isn't. There definitely is a heirarchy.
Lightroom and Camera Raw provide some of the most used post production functions, but no where near all of them.
photoshop Elements provides quite a bit more post production capability, but its name says it all.....Elements. Nice marketing decision by Adobe, who could have called it Photoshop Light.
Photoshop which has all of the bells and whistles to really delve into the world of creative post processing.
Topaz and NIK that take it even a step further, by making a lot of the functions contained within Photoshop even easier and more thorough than Photoshop itself.
What you need depends on what you are going to accomplish. If you are an amateur who just wants to make your photos a little better, correct color balance, exposure, etc., then Lightroom may be enough and in addition give you a great cataloging program. If you are an advanced amateur who wants to take it a step further, maybe Elements is the way to go. If you are a fanatic, dedicated professional, or want to turn photos into works of art, then Photoshop, especially with Topaz or NIK is the only way to go.
What you should buy is what you need for what you want to accomplish, and what you can afford. For an amateur who only wants to do corrections (color balance, esposure correction, etc., then why would you ever spend the big bucks for CS6 and all of the plug ins? But if you are a photographic artist, then you can't do what you want to do with Elements or Lightroom. Many of the shoots that I do have requirements placed on the photos by the buyer, and I have to be able to give them exactly what they want. If I was only retouching photos, and doing some minor changes, then Elements would be enough. Just don't say that Lightroom or Elements is wonderful and all powerful, they aren't.
Lightroom and Camera Raw provide some of the most used post production functions, but no where near all of them.
photoshop Elements provides quite a bit more post production capability, but its name says it all.....Elements. Nice marketing decision by Adobe, who could have called it Photoshop Light.
Photoshop which has all of the bells and whistles to really delve into the world of creative post processing.
Topaz and NIK that take it even a step further, by making a lot of the functions contained within Photoshop even easier and more thorough than Photoshop itself.
What you need depends on what you are going to accomplish. If you are an amateur who just wants to make your photos a little better, correct color balance, exposure, etc., then Lightroom may be enough and in addition give you a great cataloging program. If you are an advanced amateur who wants to take it a step further, maybe Elements is the way to go. If you are a fanatic, dedicated professional, or want to turn photos into works of art, then Photoshop, especially with Topaz or NIK is the only way to go.
What you should buy is what you need for what you want to accomplish, and what you can afford. For an amateur who only wants to do corrections (color balance, esposure correction, etc., then why would you ever spend the big bucks for CS6 and all of the plug ins? But if you are a photographic artist, then you can't do what you want to do with Elements or Lightroom. Many of the shoots that I do have requirements placed on the photos by the buyer, and I have to be able to give them exactly what they want. If I was only retouching photos, and doing some minor changes, then Elements would be enough. Just don't say that Lightroom or Elements is wonderful and all powerful, they aren't.
Dec 4, 2012 23:53:57 #
madcapmagishion wrote:
I currently do not have any post production capabi... (show quote)
madcapmagishion, Since you are taking my photos and other people's photos and posting them all over the internet and claiming them as yours, why do you even need Photoshop because I not only have taken the pictures I have also done the post processing. Jeff
Dec 5, 2012 09:07:47 #
Hmmm talk about a controversy. If someone is really posting you photos as there own, then it says a lot about them.
Too bad that most of us post jpeg photos here for the ease of uploading, and jpeg doesn't contain all of the metadata that would show someone who was plagerizing the photos.
Maybe I will have to conisder embedding watermarks in anything that I post here. I really don't want to, but then copyright laws are still the law and are respected by the vast majority of us, but mabe not by all!!!!
Too bad that most of us post jpeg photos here for the ease of uploading, and jpeg doesn't contain all of the metadata that would show someone who was plagerizing the photos.
Maybe I will have to conisder embedding watermarks in anything that I post here. I really don't want to, but then copyright laws are still the law and are respected by the vast majority of us, but mabe not by all!!!!
Dec 5, 2012 09:19:25 #
wjdonahue wrote:
Hmmm talk about a controversy. If someone is real... (show quote)
It is a proven fact that he has taken more than one of my pictures and posted them on several sites and claim them to be his. He takes off the data on most of them but has mistakenly left it on some. I place a copyright statement in the data of all of my pictures. Jeff
Dec 5, 2012 09:23:37 #
Not a good thing......maybe the moderators should look at his even being here. Maybe a small copyright watermark containing your name is needed.
Dec 5, 2012 09:29:52 #
wjdonahue wrote:
Not a good thing......maybe the moderators should look at his even being here. Maybe a small copyright watermark containing your name is needed.
I am working on that very thing about adding a watermark and will not post any more pictures until I get it done. It is a shame that we even have to deal with things like this. Jeff
I would like to add that I contacted the administrator of this site and was very impressed that my photo was deleted quickly. There are others that will take time to go back and find on this site that are mine and that will take some time. I am trying to get this taken care of on several sites. Again I would like to commend the quick action taken by this site on the one photo that I brought to their attention. Two thumbs up. Jeff
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