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alexskoz wrote:

Thinking about the Sony AR7 V... Pro's Con's.. suggestions! What do you all think? I own the Nikon D850 now!

There are no "cons" in leaving SLRs for EVFs. That much is long settled.

Whenever going with Sony the only good question is whether the a7R-V serves you any better than version IV models, both the R and non R. If you dont care for that question, you WILL get far more potential from newest model, whether you fully need it or not.

Everything is spelled out in the specs so no point repeating them here. Likewise no point in useless questions about your subject matter or about your "style". The potential in any recent Sony has your back all the way. FWIW, I use Sony and Nikon, so no fanboy issues from me.

If youre a strictly no-compromise person, youll be happy to partake of the Sony lens line. Either the new R or the previous R have sensors that take full advantage of those lenses. The new one *should* have less high ISO noise, but youll never see the difference at low to mid ISO. That difference evaporated some years ago with the a7III. Its the high ISO that sees improvement with each new series.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

CHG_CANON wrote:

That would not be the idea of 'adapted' lenses, in the context I meant, nor in the context of the OP's question. In the case of both Canon and Nikon, they have provided a mount adapter for their brand lenses on their brand cameras via their brand adapter.

Contrast that to a 3rd party product, the only option, to mix and match brand-x lenses on brand-y bodies via brand-z adapter.

kybob Loc: Versailles, Kentucky

Grahame wrote:

Suggestion, what is it that the D850 does not do that you consider another camera will do?

I have/had both cameras so knowing from experience of using the D850 for over 5 years and having switched to Sony 3 years ago with the Sony A7RIV and now with the A7RV and using it for 2 months now the biggest difference is it has an auto focus system that actually works. It is amazing on how it locks on to the Birds Eye and stays there, people, insects, etc. it is also a lot lighter to carry than the D850 with the grip is a brick and the Nikon glass you need to go with that camera. I was a diehard Nikon user bleed yellow and black I had the D100, D2x, D7000, D7100, D810, D850, Z6, Z7, Z6ii, Z7ii(still have this one) and “the Z9” along with 15 lenses all of which I have now sold. I still have all my old Nikon film cameras. So why I did I switch, was out shooting birds one day with a friend that was constantly Sony this and Sony that. I had the D850 and he had the A7rIV. I was getting a few shots in a burst in focus with the D850. Looking in the viewfinder of the D850 you put the focus box on the subject and prayed it would focus on the subject. He gave me his Sony to try and it seemed that you just had to point the camera at the subject and bang a little box came up and locked on the Birds Eye and tracked it, every shot in a burst was in focus! You did not have to move the camera to keep the focus box on the subject. You can see it actually tracking and where the focus is. After that first day he loaned me his camera to take to Conowingo dam, the ultimate eagle site in the eastern end of the country, I used it there and had more keepers on the Sony than the d850 which it seemed to struggle getting the shot. In a burst maybe 1 was in focus, I know people here will say my “technique” was not good, I needed to practice more and realize the how to properly use the camera an it’s short comings to get the shot. Why? When you can buy a camera that you point it at what you want to take a photo of it focuses on said subject. I bought the A7rIV and one Sony lens upon my return from Conowingo. And kept dreaming that Nikon would figure out the auto focus system and the “big update” would happen to make it work. I bought the Z7ii thinking oh boy with 2 processors they will get the system to work, nope. So 3 years go by waiting and dreaming they would figure it out plus waiting for Z lenses with some reach. In the mean time I am getting more and things in focus easier with the Sony than my Nikon to the point I was like ok for landscapes (ie something fixed and not moving the Nikon system works great) the colors of the Nikon seem richer I will use the Nikon for that. But something “moving” I used Sony plus they had big glass that was longer and lighter than Nikon. The A1 comes out I get that use it well over a year before Nikon finally releases the holy grail Z9 then 6 more months waiting to get one or even see it. I get one after all I have a ton of Nikon glass. It is a brick, weighs a ton compared to the Sonys. By then I had gotten used to the Sony focus system actually working and the ease of shooting with it. The Z9 compared to the D850 or any of the Z’s worked amazingly better, but it seemed to get the focus on the bird but then lock on the branch or the bird behind the one I wanted. I found I preferred using the Sony over egads the Nikon. This was devastating to me I loved Nikon I had all of the Z lenses except the stupid 50mm that weighs a ton and cost as much as a 400mm, all of the new Nikon lenses for the D850. So going back to the original question, I can say with my experience and knowledge between the two that the A7rV has a focusing system Nikon users dream of and still dream that the next update will get better. The A7rV system is even better than the A1’s. So if you are wanting to shoot any that moves or even just try Sony the A7rV is an amazing camera and you will probably never pick up a Nikon again. I know blasphemy and 40 lashes. And for the Canon users here why not go there, well I tried the Sony first plus the Sony looks and has buttons, dials etc. that are real close to the look and feel of a Nikon…remember I said I bleed yellow and black, purely an aesthetic thing I do not like the way the middle of the camera just slopes up where the prism was. I know picky.

newvy

Yesterday I was using my brothers D500 with the battery pack. I was using his nikkor 500 f4 prime lens to shoot birds at lake apopka. I can tell you that mother was a heavy rig. The monopod doesn’t do a lot of good when you are shooting fast moving birds (ospreys diving, etc) I met a guy shooting a new Fuji mirrorless with a 100-500 zoom. It was “feathery” in comparison. At home I shoot an A7iii after shooting Nikon for 40 years. The mirrorless is lighter and performs better in low light than my older Nikon gear. The Sony system Is incredible for me there wouldn’t be much of a comparison. Go the Sony!!

newvy

kybob wrote:

I have/had both cameras so knowing from experience of using the D850 for over 5 years and having switched to Sony 3 years ago with the Sony A7RIV and now with the A7RV and using it for 2 months now the biggest difference is it has an auto focus system that actually works. It is amazing on how it locks on to the Birds Eye and stays there, people, insects, etc. it is also a lot lighter to carry than the D850 with the grip is a brick and the Nikon glass you need to go with that camera. I was a diehard Nikon user bleed yellow and black I had the D100, D2x, D7000, D7100, D810, D850, Z6, Z7, Z6ii, Z7ii(still have this one) and “the Z9” along with 15 lenses all of which I have now sold. I still have all my old Nikon film cameras. So why I did I switch, was out shooting birds one day with a friend that was constantly Sony this and Sony that. I had the D850 and he had the A7rIV. I was getting a few shots in a burst in focus with the D850. Looking in the viewfinder of the D850 you put the focus box on the subject and prayed it would focus on the subject. He gave me his Sony to try and it seemed that you just had to point the camera at the subject and bang a little box came up and locked on the Birds Eye and tracked it, every shot in a burst was in focus! You did not have to move the camera to keep the focus box on the subject. You can see it actually tracking and where the focus is. After that first day he loaned me his camera to take to Conowingo dam, the ultimate eagle site in the eastern end of the country, I used it there and had more keepers on the Sony than the d850 which it seemed to struggle getting the shot. In a burst maybe 1 was in focus, I know people here will say my “technique” was not good, I needed to practice more and realize the how to properly use the camera an it’s short comings to get the shot. Why? When you can buy a camera that you point it at what you want to take a photo of it focuses on said subject. I bought the A7rIV and one Sony lens upon my return from Conowingo. And kept dreaming that Nikon would figure out the auto focus system and the “big update” would happen to make it work. I bought the Z7ii thinking oh boy with 2 processors they will get the system to work, nope. So 3 years go by waiting and dreaming they would figure it out plus waiting for Z lenses with some reach. In the mean time I am getting more and things in focus easier with the Sony than my Nikon to the point I was like ok for landscapes (ie something fixed and not moving the Nikon system works great) the colors of the Nikon seem richer I will use the Nikon for that. But something “moving” I used Sony plus they had big glass that was longer and lighter than Nikon. The A1 comes out I get that use it well over a year before Nikon finally releases the holy grail Z9 then 6 more months waiting to get one or even see it. I get one after all I have a ton of Nikon glass. It is a brick, weighs a ton compared to the Sonys. By then I had gotten used to the Sony focus system actually working and the ease of shooting with it. The Z9 compared to the D850 or any of the Z’s worked amazingly better, but it seemed to get the focus on the bird but then lock on the branch or the bird behind the one I wanted. I found I preferred using the Sony over egads the Nikon. This was devastating to me I loved Nikon I had all of the Z lenses except the stupid 50mm that weighs a ton and cost as much as a 400mm, all of the new Nikon lenses for the D850. So going back to the original question, I can say with my experience and knowledge between the two that the A7rV has a focusing system Nikon users dream of and still dream that the next update will get better. The A7rV system is even better than the A1’s. So if you are wanting to shoot any that moves or even just try Sony the A7rV is an amazing camera and you will probably never pick up a Nikon again. I know blasphemy and 40 lashes. And for the Canon users here why not go there, well I tried the Sony first plus the Sony looks and has buttons, dials etc. that are real close to the look and feel of a Nikon…remember I said I bleed yellow and black, purely an aesthetic thing I do not like the way the middle of the camera just slopes up where the prism was. I know picky.

I have/had both cameras so knowing from experience... (show quote)

EXCELLENT RESPONSE! Great content i a admire that! I too bled Nikon for 40 yrs. Bought my first FE with my own shoe shining money at 14 years old. went SONY and never looking back

BebuLamar

rcarol wrote:

I'm not entirely in agreement with your all inclusive statement. I believe that my Canon EF lenses perform as well or better on my Canon RP body as they do on my Canon DSLR bodies.

But Nikon F mount lenses won't perform better than Sony E mount lenses.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

CHG_CANON wrote:

What lenses would you use? Adapted lenses never perform as well as they do on their native mount.

On this, I will agree.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

billnikon wrote:

On this, I will agree.

Hooray!

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

alexskoz wrote:

Thinking about the Sony AR7 V... Pro's Con's.. suggestions! What do you all think? I own the Nikon D850 now!

You are trying to compare apples and oranges. The Nikon D850 was the best DSLR ever produced.
The Sony A7R V is the newest Sony MIRRORLESS camera.
Personally I never buy any new production camera until it's been out there at lest 8-12 months incase there are issues.
Also consider.
1. how many Nikon lenses do you own, I would not suggest using any of them on the Sony as crossover lenses do not function nearly as well as native lenses.
2. If you go Sony you will have to buy all new glass. How much money is that going to cost you? you should find that out before making your decision.
3. For image quality, you will not get any better IQ from the Sony than you are already getting from the Nikon.
4. If your going to shoot wildlife, neither camera has a high frame per second rate. In electronic shutter the Sony only gets 7 fps and in manual shutter only one better at 8.
5. The Sony does have Pixel Shift, I do not think the Nikon has that.
6. The Sony does allow you to see what the final image will look like in the viewfinder, that is a big advantage for a mirrorless camera.
7. If your going to trade in your going to take a beat down for sure on all of your equipment, and get no better IQ.
I have owned the Nikon D850 and now have switched to Sony. But I did not do it for IQ, I did it because I shoot wildlife in motion and needed a high frame rate which I get from my Sony a1.
IMHO, I think if your a general shooter, and do not shoot professionally, you should hold on to your D850 especially if you have multiple FF lenses for it.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

CHG_CANON wrote:

Hooray!

I would not get you hopes up too high.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

billnikon wrote:

I would not get you hopes up too high.

You made a great analysis, above. Certainly more effort than our OP presented in the details of their question and the reasoning(s) behind their question.

But, you missed one important 'pro' of the change: A good photographer is made better just by buying a mirrorless camera.

kybob Loc: Versailles, Kentucky

billnikon wrote:

You are trying to compare apples and oranges. The ... (show quote)

But it will do 583 frames of compressed RAW at 10fps which the D850 with the battery grip gets 12? But then the buffer fills up after about what seems like maybe 24 ie 2 seconds then it hangs so granted not the A1 but not a dog either. I can remember shooting film and we thought 7fps was amazing. But I do agree if they want it for landscapes etc. keep it.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Some comparisons -

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Sony-Alpha-A7-IV-vs-Nikon-D850
https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/nikon/d850/vs/sony/a7r-iv/
https://versus.com/en/nikon-d850-vs-sony-a7r-iv
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64024163
https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/nikon-d850-vs-sony-a7-iv

Ltgk20 Loc: Salisbury, NC

I don't have anything to add to the D850 vs. a7Rv discussion, but I will share a bit of experience on adapting and mount adapters. I shot Sony A mount (Minolta's AF mount) for 30 years and it became aparant that A mount was going to die a slow death as they'd allocated their R&D to E mount. I saved for a couple of years and then did a complete mount swap including all lenses. The main drivers were AF performance and lens performance.

Canon and Nikon have a much longer list of legacy lenses and many reports suggest some of their lenses work more seamlessly than the A mount does on E mount, but in time they won't offer what new lenses do from the perspective of IS, sharpness, AF speed, weight, etc. Given this, the ability to adapt can allow the transition to occur over a longer time, but I think most people will end up doing a full or nearly full converstion anyway. This delayed transition can be financially beneficial, but I think relatively few will actually continue to adapt DSLR lenses over the long term.

jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419

1. No front or back focus
2. Full screen AF points, even at apertures smaller than f/8
3. Histogram, clipping warnings, and peaking available on screen and in viewfinder.
4. No mirror shock at low shutter speeds