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Dec 4, 2012 13:51:39   #
liebgard
 
lorenww wrote:
That story has been on all news stations. News stations obviously made money on it.


News stations exist and report the "news" without getting extra pay for a particular story.

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Dec 4, 2012 14:01:32   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
On the news today regharding this post and the homeless.


http://news.msn.com/us/shoeless-nyc-man-isnt-homeless-after-all

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Dec 4, 2012 14:54:19   #
jjadeco25 Loc: Alma, AR
 
Newest info on the "homeless man"
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/barefoot-homeless-man-not-actually-homeless-175054937.html


Linden wrote:
No one seems to be catching on to what possibly happened. The gentleman's reaction (who received the boots) was perhaps not totally driven by the photo. He was made a target by the officer. The Cop's heart may have been in the right place, but shiny new boots would certainly make this person a target for theft and a mugging by the less scruplious of his peers. It could easily put his life in more danger. So I don't blame him for selling them asap. Even if the money went towards feeding a bad habit. If you want to help someone in this position, regardless of how they arrived, it's best to offer food they can easily consume, and gently worn but serviceable clothing. Also you might try to direct them to a shelter. Money is not the best kind of help, except for the ones who are professional beggars. ie: the ones who get in their car and drive away. They may be doing all they can do to feed hungry dependents. Please remember, the best criticism is well thought out constructive criticism. Harsh judgement without knowing someone's personal situation is a good sign of a simple lack of thinking skills. If you think these visible minority people should be off the streets and receive better assistance, then why not seek out a local program that strives to help, get involved and better understand what it is your judging..... A few people who have replied here reflect their understanding and involvement with the homeless, and we could learn from them. As far as the man's comment about getting a piece of the pie from the photo; he's just reacting in the same way he sees most of corporate America and anyone else who is better off than he....gimme, gimme, gimme. It's pretty easy to go spew off against someone who is basically homeless and utterly defenceless. If we have a problem with his attitude we should be directing our thoughts towards those who are charged with setting examples for the less fortunate? Or are we cowards in the face of authority? if you're a professional photographer and you capture an image of a recognizable, more successful person and it is published somewhere, it is quite conceivable that the subject may benefit somehow from that exposure. I think it is quite astute of this homeless or beggar person to recognize and ask if he too might benefit from the exposure. After all, this happened in America, right?
No one seems to be catching on to what possibly ha... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2012 15:13:49   #
Zenith701 Loc: Southern California
 
No good deed goes unpunished

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Dec 4, 2012 15:47:38   #
photosarah Loc: East Sussex, UK
 
Linden, thank you for your input. It's very compassionate and probably the most carefully thought-out reply on this difficult subject.

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Dec 4, 2012 16:06:53   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
having been homeless, and having been in a homeless shelter i can tell you there are very few simply economic homeless people out there. the vast majority have either substance abuse problems that they do NOT want help with, or mental illness problems. 30 years ago many of the homeless would be in state hospitals and sanatoriums. Then there is the group that years ago would be called hobos. they like the lifestyle, not having to work, panhandling for what they need. I think this guy got rid of the boots so it would not negatively affect his daily take in panhandling. Didn't it just come out he has 5 brothers and is not homeless? It is NOT corporate America that made homeless people (despite what the left, the occupy movement and the communist party of the us want to tell you. Corporate America keeps allot of people from being homeless by providing JOBS as well as TAX REVENUE. If this guy was serious about getting off the street(if he lives there at all) there are plenty of programs both governmental and especially private and religious charities available to help him. I do find rather ironic that in the last few days we have had a story about this homeless guy getting boots, and then another homeless crazy guy pushing another man to his death by subway train. Perhaps we need to start crazy people control and reopen the state hospitals!

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Dec 4, 2012 16:20:50   #
wingincamera Loc: Spanaway, Washington
 
Like others have said, being in public makes anyone fair game to have their photo taken, unless it makes money.
If you are going to pay the shoe less homeless person something, then the Officer should also be paid. Both had their photo taken without permission, if it was needed.

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Dec 4, 2012 17:09:40   #
Trevor Dennis Loc: New Zealand (South Island)
 
I guess you have to wonder why a person would choose to live like that, and I suspect it is a matter of coice with a great many of them. We have people like that im my town, and as I am heavily involved in local community groups, I get to know a bit about them. Bottom line, they just about all have some sort of mental illness.

We still try to help, but it can be an uphill struggle as no matter how 'unreasonable' a person's beliefs might seem to people living winin the system, they can be unswayable to the people concerned. I suspect that Jeffrey Hillman falls somewhere on the spectrum between mainstream and barking mad.

BTW One of my strangest experiences with one of these people was giving them a lift in my car, and they reached under the dash and started pulling out the vehicle electrics because they were 'listening devices'. That was scary, but he only got as far as removing a relay that was easily replaced.

I also had a client who we called the Ghost Lady. She complained that the ghosts that lived in her house would accompany her when walking her dogs, and never leave her alone. We guessed she was Schizophrenic, but despite putting a LOT of time and effort into trying to get this lady help, nothing happened because she refused to see a doctor, and the mental health people could do nothing without a referal.

So thinking about what I have just written, no I would not use any of these people as photographic subjects.

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Dec 4, 2012 17:22:30   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Wahawk wrote:
jjadeco25 wrote:
It's a shame that this act of kindness has turned into something quite ugly. The homeless man's brother who lives in CT said that his brother had been asked several times to move in with him, but the homeless man wants to stay in NY.
nikonshooter wrote:
mdorn wrote:
GC likes NIKON wrote:
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless man who was given boots by a NYC patrolman: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

Soooooo, Beware !! Posting a photo of a homeless person may cost you a piece of the pie !! Apple or Blueberry ???

I'm sure we'll be watching to see how this one winds up !!!
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless ... (show quote)


Very interesting... Of course, he wants a piece of the pie! :-)
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I think, in this case, his quest will turn out to be a piece "pie in the sky" betcha he has a lawyer.....and I'll betcha the lawyer found him! ...and I'll betcha he will have him on the TODAY show tomorrow!
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And in many places it has been found that the "homeless" beggars are not from the area where they are begging and after a few days of begging go back to an apartment with nice furnishings! I read an article a few months ago about some towns that were investigating some of these and found one of the "beggars" would walk away and when he thought no one was looking got into his fancy car from a different county and drove off!! Just looking for money without work!! And obviously very successful at it!!
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A couple years ago in Houston they arrested a woman who was on the same corner for over a year, finally she had her 4 year old kid there with her. Found out she lived in a 250,000 house in a better section of Houston.

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Dec 4, 2012 17:39:53   #
bevmac
 
So many people think it's a matter of choice and everyone has an equal chance at success in America. Those are very simplistic answers to a very complicated problem. There are many people 'not making' in America and just as many reasons as there are people. You have not walked in his shoes, especially since he doesn't have any, so you cannot speak for him. I've worked in social services for over 45 years and have heard it all (almost) believe me, no one wants to live shoeless and homeless. I have never once heard any one say - my goal is to live on the street and accept handouts from stangers. The answers to this problem is many faceted and will never change if people are looking for easy answers.

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Dec 4, 2012 18:01:59   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
Great pictures Pale. There are stories behind those eyes.

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Dec 4, 2012 18:20:53   #
Trevor Dennis Loc: New Zealand (South Island)
 
bevmac wrote:
So many people think it's a matter of choice and everyone has an equal chance at success in America. Those are very simplistic answers to a very complicated problem. There are many people 'not making' in America and just as many reasons as there are people. You have not walked in his shoes, especially since he doesn't have any, so you cannot speak for him. I've worked in social services for over 45 years and have heard it all (almost) believe me, no one wants to live shoeless and homeless. I have never once heard any one say - my goal is to live on the street and accept handouts from stangers. The answers to this problem is many faceted and will never change if people are looking for easy answers.
So many people think it's a matter of choice and e... (show quote)


When I said 'choice' yes I was being simplistic. My point is that many of these people have a mental illness which leads them to live this way. I guess it is at least feasible that Jeffrey Hillman was genuinely scared of being harmed by a fellow vagrant who wanted his nice new shoes, but he didn’t sell them and buy cheaper shoes more in keeping with the rest of his garb. He returned to being shoeless. That was a matter of choice any way you look at it. Even if that choice was driven by an unbalanced mind.

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Dec 4, 2012 20:04:04   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Trevor Dennis wrote:
bevmac wrote:
So many people think it's a matter of choice and everyone has an equal chance at success in America. Those are very simplistic answers to a very complicated problem. There are many people 'not making' in America and just as many reasons as there are people. You have not walked in his shoes, especially since he doesn't have any, so you cannot speak for him. I've worked in social services for over 45 years and have heard it all (almost) believe me, no one wants to live shoeless and homeless. I have never once heard any one say - my goal is to live on the street and accept handouts from stangers. The answers to this problem is many faceted and will never change if people are looking for easy answers.
So many people think it's a matter of choice and e... (show quote)


When I said 'choice' yes I was being simplistic. My point is that many of these people have a mental illness which leads them to live this way. I guess it is at least feasible that Jeffrey Hillman was genuinely scared of being harmed by a fellow vagrant who wanted his nice new shoes, but he didn’t sell them and buy cheaper shoes more in keeping with the rest of his garb. He returned to being shoeless. That was a matter of choice any way you look at it. Even if that choice was driven by an unbalanced mind.
quote=bevmac So many people think it's a matter o... (show quote)


Guess he gets more warmth from a cheap bottle of wine than he gets comfort in having shoes to wear. Hold on, just had a brain fart, It just came to me what is going on.

At the mission where he gets 3 square a day he read the sign on the wall that says:

I cried because I had no shoes to wear
then I saw the man that had no feet.

Perhaps he is trying to level the playing field.

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Dec 4, 2012 20:29:06   #
Highlake Loc: Yucaipa, CA
 
orterrym wrote:
Exceptional pictures. That's capturing the essence of the person.

Yes, great pictures, but with all respect, I believe we error when we think we can capture or see the "essense" of a person from a few photos of that person. Photos are wonderful in supplementing a story, but without knowing the whole story most often we are mislead by what we see, i.e., "looks are deceiving." It's human nature to try to imagine the whole story, context, history, meaning behind what we see. But too often our imaginations are at least partially wrong.

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Dec 4, 2012 20:52:06   #
Flo. Loc: Bay Of Plenty New Zealand
 
Danilo wrote:
If Homeless Hillman wants a reasonable expectation of privacy he'd best get an apartment with a door, and curtains over the windows. Until then he's fair game, and...no pie!


Right on mate! :thumbup:

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