burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Nice work! Good to know about the new Sigma 60-600. It sounds like a winner.

gwilliams6

Why do some folks think that only Sony makes lenses for Sony E-mount when they are trying to compare and make a point . LOL

Feel free to look at the links with the 200 native E-mount lenses I linked from both Sony and third party lens makers, it shows the weight of each of these lenses. Do the work before you just compare Sony lenses to Olympus lenses. And do a price comparison to know there are both price differences with less expensive Sony lenses and less expensive third-party E-mount lenses, often half the cost of the most expensive Sony GM lenses. Do better research.

Bayou, just two examples:
the native E-mount Sony 85mm f1.4 GM lists for $1798 USD and weighs 840grams,
while the native E-mount Sigma Art 85mm f1.4 DG DN lists for $1199 USD and weighs 625 Grams.
And the Sigma is sharper and focuses faster than the GM one, a fact. I own the sharper, lighter, less expensive Sigma Art 85mm f1.4 DG DN lens for my A7RIV, A1, A7SIII.

Sony also makes an excellent native E-mount 85mm f1.8 lens that lists for $598 USD and only weighs 371 grams ! Lots of top pros love the Sony 85mm f1.8 lens, and it is the only native E-mount 85mm lens they own and use.

Bayou, do more complete research before comparing weight and prices of E-mount lenses vs other brands lenses. Sony makes many less expensive and lighter lenses in different focal lengths and is releasing more compact, lighter and more compact lenses all the time. And Third-party lens makers continue to release excellent quality native E-mount lenses, compact , lighter weight and at less cost than the most expensive Sony GM lens.

And you miss one of my key points, it isn't just about equivalent focal lengths of lenses between micro 4/3rds and full frame, it is just as much about image quality of fullframe vs micro 4/3rds, and in that respect there is a huge difference or didn't you know that.

For me and what I need and what I shoot, I would not substitute micro 4/3rds image quality for my ultimate resolution, detail and image quality, especially in High ISO/Low Light with my fullframe cameras. And I would not give up the ability for shallower depth of field which is another huge difference between micro 4/3rds and fullframe.

If none of that matters to you or the OP that is perfectly fine, use micro 4/3rds and be happy, but it does matter to me and many others.

Cheers and best to you.

jcboy3

If you want to reduce size and weight, you need to reduce the size of the sensor. Look at Olympus and Panasonic; you can get the smaller bodies and lenses and really cut the size and weight.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Thank you. Enjoyed getting it.

Bayou

All of those lenses are much heavier than the OP's "nifty 50", whichever one that may be. Nikkor's heaviest is only 278 grams.

And no mention of the OP's 18-200mm zoom and its equivalent on a full frame Sony?

LOL indeed.

gwilliams6

gwilliams6

Bayou, you dont get it, you still wont match the image quality of the best fullframe with a micro 4/3rds. For me that is the deal-breaker.

If it is only about the weight of camera and long lens together, the OP can get a mirrorless Sony RX10IV with its 24mm-600mm Zeiss lens, stacked sensor, fast fps, super AF, and super slow-mo video and more.

https://www.sony.com/za/electronics/cyber-shot-compact-cameras/dsc-rx10m4

A gallery of wildlife and other shots, including flowers ,taken with the Sony RX10IV:
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBH_enUS870US870&sxsrf=AJOqlzXdgj_2ckOdkjwMUM86bUCPiZyK3g:1673578821804&q=photos+of+Sony+RX10IV&tbm=isch&source=univ&fir=g9zr325owcLGqM%252C_jOXmD_BZJ4z9M%252C_%253BdM-cf_LK_fPmiM%252CiekNJoKhiCuPRM%252C_%253BG22MhNxFl1Hd_M%252CCr8s1k-hIBhI0M%252C_%253BL0wmd8_G-1E8rM%252COXU2dU0URbgGrM%252C_%253Bt-nbNvks6NF8IM%252Cq9uSMdQQQseuPM%252C_%253BCAlgvVLKqeqSlM%252CFvqRIAuCN2m6MM%252C_%253BL3QJzZY3LpKfHM%252CUiVl4P43qPRgBM%252C_%253BK0WtW4pJFl0bCM%252Cq9uSMdQQQseuPM%252C_%253B4f-dZmcGr0G13M%252CCr8s1k-hIBhI0M%252C_%253B-dqx_f9fmKMu2M%252CzQ9H3C--3nJ6HM%252C_%253B2Rn8S5moEAit8M%252CFKys-JClkfi4CM%252C_%253BnvtKZdpzM948MM%252CuW7nLOj3SHH_xM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kR7_DDBBPhQal_MYSyn6vIf9lpMJQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiAmrX5xsP8AhVNkYkEHYcbAyEQjJkEegQIDhAC&biw=1536&bih=753&dpr=2.5

Cheers and best to you.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

It’s pretty disingenuous to wax about the IQ of your full frame Sony and then tout the RX10MIV, which is a very capable bridge camera, but the IQ doesn’t come close to my OM-1 M4/3.

Bayou

Neither I, nor the OP, mentioned image quality. The topic at hand was weight. You must be arguing with someone else.

gwilliams6

Interesting video from DPReview, discussing what the Panasonic S5II means for the rest of the Panasonic mirrorless line's future. I would be interested in your take on all this BurkPhoto, and any with Panasonic cameras. Cheers.

DPReview: What the S5 II means for the future of Panasonic cameras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8wp2DveE-o&t=1s

Cheers and best to you

gwilliams6

Bayou, I addressed the weight question, but image quality will need to be a consideration also for the OP, as it is for anyone spending their hard-earned money for any new mirrorless gear. You brought up and hammered the zoom focal range/magnification thing, not sure the OP asked about that either. All things need to be considered.

Can't ignore all these factors when making a camera choice, I certainly wouldn't, nor should you.

Cheers and best to you.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

And that comes down to what the photographer intends to do with their photos. Unless they’re creating pretty large prints it would be hard, if even possible, to see the difference. I often print 16x20 with a 50% crop from M4/3 with excellent results. Most people now don’t print at all and you’ll never see a difference if you’re just displaying JPEG’s.

charles brown Loc: Tennesse

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

I agree with most of what was said in the video you linked. That's after watching it again...

Chris and Jordan of DPR were in Tokyo in December, along with about 100 other influencers who went away with kits of S5 II cameras and a set of Panasonic lenses to test for a few weeks. They are echoing the same themes as most of the other reviewers. I've probably watched videos and read reviews from about 30 of those who were there.

One of the best sources for understanding of the Panasonic Lumix line is Sean Robinson of Panasonic. Here is a recording of yesterday's Lumix Live stream:

https://youtu.be/Rkxgj9ACkZA

While (of course) Sean can't discuss future products, he does assure us in this video that this "New Year, New Phase" theme is more than just the release of the S5 II and S5 IIx bodies. He says that Micro 4/3 is not going away, that it is a crucial part of their plans, and explains why. He says that Phase Detect opens up a whole world of opportunity for them, that the technology will definitely improve with both firmware and future implementations.

Sean reassured users that Lumix considers BOTH video and stills to be equally important to the success of their brand, and to sales of the S5 II. There are considerable advantages to addressing each crowd's needs that add to the other's success with the camera. He lists a few. Of course, there are those in each "camp" of videographers or photographers who would love to see a "pure" video or a "pure" stills camera, but that's not realistic.

One of the other important things I learned last night is that the L-Mount Alliance is all about FIRST party lenses. Panasonic, Sigma, and Leica, the creators of the L-Mount, are all working out of the same playbook when it comes to the mount, the electronics protocols, the functions that are enabled, etc. None of them has any proprietary *mount-, AF-, or IS-related* advantages over any of the other three. They all worked together on the standards.

Where they compete is on optics designs, lens element manufacturing, choice of focus motors, control placements, etc. A lens' AF seems to perform exactly as expected from Leica to Panasonic to Sigma. The same goes for image stabilization. Sigma IS functions with IBIS in the S5 Mark II to yield Dual IS, provided you set all the switches correctly. That is UNLIKE Micro 4/3, where Olympus and Panasonic IBIS systems won't work in tandem with the other brands' lenses, and there are other minor inconsistencies in function across brands.

In other words, the same L-Mount body will behave the same way, regardless of brand of lens attached, and the same L lens will perform the same way on all three makers' bodies. Apparently, manufacturers in the L-Mount Alliance license the same specification sheet as everyone else who holds a license, and they have to agree to follow those specs.

Sean showed a demo reel of the Sigma 150-600mm L-Mount lens on the S5 II, illustrating the stabilization performance hand-held at 600mm. It's impressive. It isn't perfect, but with a monopod, it most likely would be usable. (I'd like to see a demo of that!)

So the S5 II is just the first step in a new beginning for Lumix. It is the first camera with PDAF, and the first camera featuring their collaboration with Leica on the processor, known as L-squared technology. I bet that both PDAF and the same L^2 processor will make their ways into some other Lumix and Leica bodies as well. Leica and Panasonic have worked together on LOTS of projects over the last couple of decades. It's been good for both companies.

chapin in utah Loc: Utah

I print for all the parents of my our preschoolers some 5 by 7, and 8 by 10. No big prints