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Jan 9, 2023 07:57:02   #
raypep
 
OwlHarbor wrote:
I am a longtime Samsung (android) user and currently have a Samsung Note 9 and an iPhone 12 for work. I have been using an iPhone now for several years for work and remember it was not intuitive or had a quick learning curve. I've heard about iPhone users using Android phones having the same issues. Steve Jobs, The Crazy ones was a genius from my point of view (not everyone), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtftHaK9tYY I think you will find many from both groups of users Android and iPhone. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were competitors and what I found most interesting is that Steve demanded total control over his computers and phones while Bill made his software available to all manufacturers of hardware, and Bill never successfully entered the phone market. What both have in common is the cameras on phones that continue to get better and have made photography mainstream in the world. I am guessing that there are more photographers in the world than at any time in history. Ok, yes it's not dedicated cameras but it is exciting. I've met first-time camera buyers who bought cameras because they wanted to get more than their phones could offer. I am hoping that the big camera makers are watching and planning to take seriously the competition of phone cameras by improving their offerings. What are your thoughts?
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My Nikon 7100 is now in a box along with the lens I bought . My Iphone 12 goes with me everywhere . I only view photos on my computer and I cannot see a difference between photos taken with my Nikon and those of my Iphone.

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Jan 9, 2023 08:35:32   #
Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa
 
I wonder though where all the photos will be in 100 years time.
I have a fear that most will be lost in the ether, taking with them the record of a massive part of our history.

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Jan 9, 2023 09:14:42   #
OwlHarbor Loc: Pacific North West USA
 
Take a picture with both camera and phone of the same subject and zoom into a very small area and see the difference.
Dave

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Jan 9, 2023 10:05:21   #
raypep
 
OwlHarbor wrote:
Take a picture with both camera and phone of the same subject and zoom into a very small area and see the difference.
Dave



I might see a difference but how would that change my enjoyment of the photo as whole.

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Jan 9, 2023 11:07:11   #
OwlHarbor Loc: Pacific North West USA
 
If you are just looking at the photo as a whole on your computer, web, social media, or your phone it will make no difference, it's when or if you decide you need a close-up of a portion of your photo. It took me a while to make sure I got enough space around a subject to capture the picture I wanted.

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Jan 9, 2023 13:06:01   #
MrMophoto Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
 
I'm not going to offer any opinions on Smartphone cameras vs. full size cameras. However, IMHO speaking to the notion that there are more photographers today due largely to the use of smart phone camera use I offer this statistic I came across while teaching a seminar on smartphone apps; it is estimated that today there are more photographs taken every minute of everyday than there was in the first 100 years since photography was invented

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Jan 9, 2023 13:11:31   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
MrMophoto wrote:
I'm not going to offer any opinions on Smartphone cameras vs. full size cameras. However, IMHO speaking to the notion that there are more photographers today due largely to the use of smart phone camera use I offer this statistic I came across while teaching a seminar on smartphone apps; it is estimated that today there are more photographs taken every minute of everyday than there was in the first 100 years since photography was invented


I have heard the same thing but put a little differently: there are more photos taken in two minutes today than were taken in all of the 19th century.

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Jan 9, 2023 13:23:29   #
alvin3232 Loc: Houston, TX
 
Hello
Well while cellphones improve there is not much said about the storage side of things. I mean there is only so much you can store on your cellphone and sure someone may say well online, which comes with a cost. On the other hand with your camera, you just store it on your PC or external HD and no cost. But that's my 2 cents.

Al

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Jan 9, 2023 13:27:52   #
MrMophoto Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
 
stanikon wrote:
I have heard the same thing but put a little differently: there are more photos taken in two minutes today than were taken in all of the 19th century.


Basically the same idea, IMHO photography has become a major form of communication

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Jan 9, 2023 13:37:40   #
BebuLamar
 
OwlHarbor wrote:
If you are just looking at the photo as a whole on your computer, web, social media, or your phone it will make no difference, it's when or if you decide you need a close-up of a portion of your photo. It took me a while to make sure I got enough space around a subject to capture the picture I wanted.


The phone makes a difference. The phone lenses which I have 2 choices on my Iphone 11 but both are wider than I normally would use.

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Jan 9, 2023 15:14:09   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
alvin3232 wrote:
Hello
Well while cellphones improve there is not much said about the storage side of things. I mean there is only so much you can store on your cellphone and sure someone may say well online, which comes with a cost. On the other hand with your camera, you just store it on your PC or external HD and no cost. But that's my 2 cents.

Al


Both PCs and external HDs have limits. And unless you have a rich uncle there is a cost.

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Jan 9, 2023 15:29:12   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
The only photographic "thing" I use my iPhone for is to run a program that nails exposure and processing. Otherwise, I use it for communication.
--Bob
OwlHarbor wrote:
I am a longtime Samsung (android) user and currently have a Samsung Note 9 and an iPhone 12 for work. I have been using an iPhone now for several years for work and remember it was not intuitive or had a quick learning curve. I've heard about iPhone users using Android phones having the same issues. Steve Jobs, The Crazy ones was a genius from my point of view (not everyone), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtftHaK9tYY I think you will find many from both groups of users Android and iPhone. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were competitors and what I found most interesting is that Steve demanded total control over his computers and phones while Bill made his software available to all manufacturers of hardware, and Bill never successfully entered the phone market. What both have in common is the cameras on phones that continue to get better and have made photography mainstream in the world. I am guessing that there are more photographers in the world than at any time in history. Ok, yes it's not dedicated cameras but it is exciting. I've met first-time camera buyers who bought cameras because they wanted to get more than their phones could offer. I am hoping that the big camera makers are watching and planning to take seriously the competition of phone cameras by improving their offerings. What are your thoughts?
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Jan 9, 2023 15:54:57   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
rmalarz wrote:
The only photographic "thing" I use my iPhone for is to run a program that nails exposure and processing. Otherwise, I use it for communication.
--Bob


If you think about it, it is quite remarkable how useful it can be. For example, I needed to know if a local pharmacy carried a particular item that was just about depleted. I took a photo on my phone, showed it to the pharmacy tech and he immediately knew what I needed. Just because you don't use if for artistic purposes doesn't mean there are no uses at all.

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Jan 9, 2023 17:16:57   #
Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington
 
I have read and watched many a article or video which promote the idea that cell phone cameras are going to overtake dedicated cameras in the near future. I am not convinced that this is accurate. The cameras in phones have improved tremendously but I would argue that the consumer base for cell phone cameras is not the same as people who are interested in photography as a profession or hobby. In my opinion most people who use their smart phone cameras regularly are more interested in taking snapshots and/or "Selfies" and have no desire to explore photography as an art form. There is a lot of photo manipulation and processing that occurs within smartphones outside of the control of the person taking the photo. Think of it this way, smartphones do an increasingly excellent job of rendering photos but using one for serious photography would be like keeping a $3000+ camera on auto. Much of the control is assigned to the camera rather than the photographer.

Of course this could change but the market is driven by folks who are not interested in learning even the basics of photography. They just want to get a snapshot of Uncle Bill in front of the Statue of Liberty. More serious photography will likely become a niche market and some of our favorite camera manufacturers may go away. All of this is of course is just my opinion but it is how I perceive things going.

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Jan 9, 2023 17:25:20   #
BebuLamar
 
Klickitatdave wrote:
I have read and watched many a article or video which promote the idea that cell phone cameras are going to overtake dedicated cameras in the near future. I am not convinced that this is accurate. The cameras in phones have improved tremendously but I would argue that the consumer base for cell phone cameras is not the same as people who are interested in photography as a profession or hobby. In my opinion most people who use their smart phone cameras regularly are more interested in taking snapshots and/or "Selfies" and have no desire to explore photography as an art form. There is a lot of photo manipulation and processing that occurs within smartphones outside of the control of the person taking the photo. Think of it this way, smartphones do an increasingly excellent job of rendering photos but using one for serious photography would be like keeping a $3000+ camera on auto. Much of the control is assigned to the camera rather than the photographer.

Of course this could change but the market is driven by folks who are not interested in learning the even the basics of photography. They just want to get a snapshot of Uncle Bill in front of the Statue of Liberty. More serious photography will likely become a niche market and some of our favorite camera manufacturers may go away. All of this is of course is just my opinion but it is how I perceive things going.
I have read and watched many a article or video wh... (show quote)


In around 2008 or so people were buying way too many digital cameras. Way more than in the film days. People used them for purposes that people who bought camera before never thought about using. Today and in the future it's those people will use the phones and the number of regular sold will back down to normal like before the peak of digital camera sales.

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