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Jan 2, 2023 11:53:40   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you don't know how to access the EXIF data, make that a personal 2023 learning resolution.

Agreed, as long as they check the “store original” box when attaching an image.

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Jan 2, 2023 12:02:04   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BigQ wrote:

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4. Posting links, seems lazy, potentially dangerous, I want to see your photos.

I post links on occasion because they are an authoritative source of news. If you don’t want to hear what is coming, that is fine with me, but some some people do want to hear more than speculation and summarizing news often leaves information out.

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Jan 2, 2023 12:22:00   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
burkphoto wrote:
Unfortunately, for those who sell their work or plan to, a copyright notice is a necessary evil.

Links to educational and informational sites or videos are seldom dangerous. You can bet that If I post one, it's harmless, since I went there, first!

In the digital world, there is no need to type out the details that are in EXIF data... the header portion of a JPEG file. This data comes from the camera (see below). Why not just consider that if someone wants to post their specifications, they'll save a file with an intact EXIF table in it, so you can use your favorite EXIF reader. Note that UHH strips this off for all preview images, along with all ICC color profiles.
Unfortunately, for those who sell their work or pl... (show quote)


No "Picture Count" with that?

Someone who heats his house with wood would probably not use a firepit. It would be like pouring heating oil onto the driveway and lighting it.

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Jan 2, 2023 12:26:39   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
BigQ wrote:
Thought I would post my annual rant on things I like and don’t like. Preface by saying that it is a matter of taste and just because I don’t like something, doesn’t mean it is bad, just not what I like/dislike, so no flames.
Photography I like:
Landscape. Travel. Trains planes and automobiles
Black and white. Wildlife(not birds) Street
Now for the rant/ dislike
1. Birds, thank heaven for new section for posting them so I can avoid.
2. Silky water, streams, waterfall and the like. It is unreal, fake?
3. Watermarks, signature, almost always detracts from the photo.
4. Posting links, seems lazy, potentially dangerous, I want to see your photos.
5. Of all the things in photography that should not be subjective, is weight, but what some posters and equipment reviewers indicate is so bogus, IMHO:
Light- camera and lens under 900 grams
Medium: camera and lens 900-1200 grams
Heavy- over 1200 grams
Very heavy- over 1400 grams

I would love to see all pictures have the details of camera, lens, shutter speed, aperture, and ISO so we can all learn from it. There are so many beautiful pictures posted.
Hope some of you post what you like and don’t like.
Happy New Year to all you UHH people.
Thought I would post my annual rant on things I li... (show quote)



bwa

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Jan 2, 2023 12:46:19   #
Royce Moss Loc: Irvine, CA
 
BigQ wrote:
Thought I would post my annual rant on things I like and don’t like. Preface by saying that it is a matter of taste and just because I don’t like something, doesn’t mean it is bad, just not what I like/dislike, so no flames.
Photography I like:
Landscape. Travel. Trains planes and automobiles
Black and white. Wildlife(not birds) Street
Now for the rant/ dislike
1. Birds, thank heaven for new section for posting them so I can avoid.
2. Silky water, streams, waterfall and the like. It is unreal, fake?
3. Watermarks, signature, almost always detracts from the photo.
4. Posting links, seems lazy, potentially dangerous, I want to see your photos.
5. Of all the things in photography that should not be subjective, is weight, but what some posters and equipment reviewers indicate is so bogus, IMHO:
Light- camera and lens under 900 grams
Medium: camera and lens 900-1200 grams
Heavy- over 1200 grams
Very heavy- over 1400 grams

I would love to see all pictures have the details of camera, lens, shutter speed, aperture, and ISO so we can all learn from it. There are so many beautiful pictures posted.
Hope some of you post what you like and don’t like.
Happy New Year to all you UHH people.
Thought I would post my annual rant on things I li... (show quote)


I agree with #2 Real water does not look like that to me Why a problem with weight? I'm 78 and take out my 7200 + Sigma 100-600 and Nikon 70-200 and use 2 shoulder straps no problem

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Jan 2, 2023 12:55:44   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Royce Moss wrote:
Why a problem with weight? I'm 78 and take out my 7200 + Sigma 100-600 and Nikon 70-200 and use 2 shoulder straps no problem

Physical strength is not a virtue in and by itself.

We live a few blocks from the county fairgrounds. We moved to this house about ten years ago, and for a number of years we walked to the fair, but last year I struggled uphill home to our house. My wife’s suggestion was to drive there, but I carried a lighter kit, and she agreed that my solution worked.

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Jan 2, 2023 13:12:05   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
fantom wrote:
i think what these despicable elitists have been trying to explain to you is that the data you are requesting is already there and there is no need to repeat it. Earlier in this thread there is a picture of a firepit. To find out what the camera settings were (and a couple of dozen other things about the pic) I downloaded and saved the image, then opened it in my photo reader and clicked on the photo info tools and got all the EXIF data concerning the pic. It took less than a minute to do all of this. That is far less time than it would take for someone to attach all that info to a pic they posted.
It is cumbersome enough right now to post pix on this site and I know I won't routinely post the camera settings when they can be found in a fraction of the time by someone who cares enough to find them.
Good luck.
i think what these despicable elitists have been t... (show quote)


Yeah, that was one of mine. I even posted the EXIF under it, as an example for those who have never seen or known the existence of EXIF tables. You wanna see EXIF data for every image? Well, you can't for images that are not downloadable, because UHH strips it off of preview images.

Your digital camera generates an EXIF table, a JPEG preview image, and either a raw data table or a larger JPEG image, every time it saves a file.

IF the image poster left it intact, you can open the image and use any of dozens of applications to read it. I use Apple Preview, which comes with every Mac and is updated with every full revision of MacOS. I'm sure that there is a parallel in Windows.

There is a special case where the EXIF data may not tell the full story! That is when the poster has photographed a slide or a film negative as a means to convert an image to a digital format. I do that a LOT, and usually explain so when I do. In that case, I might remember what I did 40 or 50 years ago... or not.

I don't understand the elitist argument, either... The folks who answer newbies' questions here are all volunteers. If you ask a question, we who answer usually try not to think anything other than it deserves a {PROPER} answer. Sometimes a little gentle redirection is included to remind people that learning requires a little bit of work. Sometimes I need that reminder, myself!

Keep asking... There are no stupid questions except the ones that are not asked! If you get a little snark, forgive it. People have bad days. Social media have minefields of manure just waiting to be stepped in. Once you learn to question everything, and seek multiple *primary* sources of information, you survive!

UHH is NOT a primary source of information about photography. However, many of us have spent a lifetime learning photography. Many of us have worked professionally in some or many roles in the industry. There's a wealth of information available on sites like this from hundreds of folks. I reckon at least 20% of answers are useful to fully accurate. (Sometimes 80% are useful.) Some of the rest are good background information. Some of them are amusing, once you get to know the posters' personas. Some of them are off-topic side trips taken "because we can go there."

Very few folks here are outright a$$#0!£s. But it DOES get old answering the same old questions that you can look up in Wikipedia or on Google or some other search tool. If you want to grow, learn to use search engines. You'll be glad you did.

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Jan 2, 2023 13:51:26   #
JimGray Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
This will probably be my first and last "official;" rant, which is a post that is dedicated to ranting!

Long drawn out, protracted ongoing angry exchanges and name-calling etc. should be immediately deleted. It really gets on my nerves, especially when the thread starts out legitimately and well-intended and then deteriorates into chaos. I am sure that annoys others and puts off folks who are new to the forum. I know it's a big and busy forum but it needs better moderation.

I hate "who cares" posts.

This will probably be my first and last "offi... (show quote)



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Jan 2, 2023 14:19:23   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
burkphoto wrote:

There is a special case where the EXIF data may not tell the full story! That is when the poster has photographed a slide or a film negative as a means to convert an image to a digital format. I do that a LOT, and usually explain so when I do. In that case, I might remember what I did 40 or 50 years ago... or not.


That's just one of many cases where EXIF doesn't give the whole story (or gives a misleading one).
EXIF generally has no knowledge of adapted lenses (not just their identity but also their apertures/focus distances/focal lengths), filters, lighting modifiers, & often but perhaps not always for extension tubes, teleconverters etc. It generally won't tell what has been done in post, but some software will replace the original EXIF to say it was used - often seen this with things like panoramas.
Even so it can be a useful tool, though I suspect with my shots it's more useful to remind me of what I did than to indicate to others what settings I used.
There can be an incredible amount of info in EXIF, most viewers only show a subsection of it, while programs like EXIFtool allow more to be seen. I can't remember ever seeing something I would be concerned about sharing, unless I've been shooting at sensitive locations...

Where EXIF misses something important I usually add it as a comment (such as 'full spectrum converted camera with #25 filter').

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Jan 2, 2023 14:21:08   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
rehess wrote:
I post links on occasion because they are an authoritative source of news. If you don’t want to hear what is coming, that is fine with me, but some some people do want to hear more than speculation and summarizing news often leaves information out.



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Jan 2, 2023 14:25:18   #
goldenyears Loc: Lake Osewgo
 
Rantarguments can sometimes be entertaining, but they are not what I come to UHH for. Nice to identify the topic as a rant so I can know to skip it and go on to the next photography topic.

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Jan 2, 2023 14:37:13   #
Blues Dude
 
DebAnn wrote:
I definitely agree with 2 and 3. I don't think there's much point in knowing what settings were used for other people's shots because you can't ever mimic the exact conditions they were shooting in. Those conditions would have determined how they set their camera. Your conditions will be different. Better to learn how to operate your own camera!


Exactly right! The details of a specific image were in the past and conditions will change for future images by other photographers. Don't try to duplicate someone else's work. Learn your camera and create your own images.

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Jan 2, 2023 14:44:53   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Blues Dude wrote:
Exactly right! The details of a specific image were in the past and conditions will change for future images by other photographers. Don't try to duplicate someone else's work. Learn your camera and create your own images.

That depends on what you are trying to do. ‘Stopping motion’ depends on using the appropriate shutter-speed; EXIF perhaps can tell you what was used for the photo in question. Getting “good” bokeh depends on aperture and the lens used; EXIF perhaps can tell you what what used in the photo in question. View of fireworks will depend on shutter speed and aperture. There is so much that can be learned from the works of others; only a fool tries to completely solve a problem himself that others have done already.

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Jan 2, 2023 15:27:56   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Unfortunately, for those who sell their work or plan to, a copyright notice is a necessary evil.

Links to educational and informational sites or videos are seldom dangerous. You can bet that If I post one, it's harmless, since I went there, first!

In the digital world, there is no need to type out the details that are in EXIF data... the header portion of a JPEG file. This data comes from the camera (see below). Why not just consider that if someone wants to post their specifications, they'll save a file with an intact EXIF table in it, so you can use your favorite EXIF reader. Note that UHH strips this off for all preview images, along with all ICC color profiles.
Unfortunately, for those who sell their work or pl... (show quote)


Great information 👍👍👍👍👍

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Jan 2, 2023 15:31:08   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
User ID wrote:
Scene brightness doesnt matter. Only the rendering matters.

Below are two night scenes that I found posted to UHH for admiration, which acoarst they received ... I did NOT say "deserved".

The 1st version of each is a direct copy. I spoze they are successfully conveying that it does get dark at night.

The 2nd version of each is my quick and dirty new rendering, done merely to see WTH was actually in the frame.


Big difference to me - and in the second of each, the details actually pop

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