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Dec 31, 2022 16:00:51   #
gwilliams6
 
zug55 wrote:
Correction: if Tamron makes a 35-150mm f/2.8-f/4, it certainly is not for the Sony FE mount. In fact, I have not found such a lens. Second, there is a Sigma 24-105mm art lens for Nikon and Canon, but not for the Sony FE mount. Sigma only makes a 24-70mm lens for Sony FE.


When I first moved from Nikon and Canon (both brands) to Sony back in January 2017, I owned and used a Sigma Art 24-105mm f4 lens in Canon EF mount on my Sony A7RII with a Sigma MC-11 lens adaptor and it worked well. But only when I transitioned from all my Canon, Nikon and Sigma DSLR-designed lenses and moved to native E-mount lenses did I get the best performance from my lenses on my Sony bodies.

And the mirrorless-designed native E-mount lenses are much more compact and lighter than the DSLR-designed Canon EF lenses and Sigma Art EF-mount lenses I had used before with an MC-11 adaptor.

Here I will share some shots made with my Sony A7RII, and my Sigma Art 24-105mm f4 lens in EF mount with the MC-11 adaptor on a trip to visit some longtime friends in Scotland.

1) A just married wedding couple get serenaded by their bag-piper in Edinburgh, Scotland. Sony A7RII, Sigma Art 24-105mm f4 lens with MC-11 adaptor.

2) Loch Shiel in Glennfinan , Scotland, the location of numerous scenes shot for the Harry Potter series of movies. Sony A7RII, Sigma Art 24-105mm f4 in EF-mount, used with the MC-11 adaptor.

3) A double rainbow at low tide in Portree, the capital town on the Isle of Skye in Scotland. Sony A7RII, Sigma Art 24-105mm f4 EF-mount lens with MC-11 adaptor.

Click on download to see the best image quality.

I loved the image quality of that DSLR-designed Sigma Art 24-105mm f4 lens in EF-mount, but it was fairly big and heavy and made bigger with that added MC-11 adaptor. The mirrorless-designed native E-mount Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS is much smaller and lighter, faster focusing and more.

NOTE: Sigma makes great native E-mount lenses that are optically as good and perform as well as the best Sony lenses. I own a few of those great Sigma Art mirrorless-designed native E-mount lenses and love them just as much as my best native E-mount Sony lenses.

Cheers and best to you.


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Dec 31, 2022 16:29:24   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
zug55 wrote:
Correction: if Tamron makes a 35-150mm f/2.8-f/4, it certainly is not for the Sony FE mount. In fact, I have not found such a lens. Second, there is a Sigma 24-105mm art lens for Nikon and Canon, but not for the Sony FE mount. Sigma only makes a 24-70mm lens for Sony FE.


Yes, it seems I have learned something today - which is why I am on UHH !

I assumed, (wrongly) that since Tamron makes a 35-150 2.8-4 for Canon and Nikon that they would SURELY make it for Sony E and, that since they make a 35-150 f2-2.8 for Sony that they would also make it for Canon and Nikon .......AND, since Sigma makes the 24-105 Art for Canon, Nikon, and Sony A that they would SURELY make one for Sony E Sooooo, just FORGET everything I said - unless you use adapters
That Sigma does not make a 24-105 for Sony E at this stage of history is insanely inconceivable !
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Dec 31, 2022 17:04:25   #
gwilliams6
 
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, it seems I have learned something today - which is why I am on UHH !

I assumed, (wrongly) that since Tamron makes a 35-150 2.8-4 for Canon and Nikon that they would SURELY make it for Sony E and, that since they make a 35-150 f2-2.8 for Sony that they would also make it for Canon and Nikon .......AND, since Sigma makes the 24-105 Art for Canon, Nikon, and Sony A that they would SURELY make one for Sony E Sooooo, just FORGET everything I said - unless you use adapters
That Sigma does not make a 24-105 for Sony E at this stage of history is insanely inconceivable !
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Yes, it seems I have learned something today - whi... (show quote)


There is NO third-party native E-mount 24-105mm f4 lens to challenge the native E-mount Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS, go figure.

Sigma does make great native E-mount Sigma Art 24-70mm f2.8 DG DN, and native E-mount Sigma Contemporary 28-70mm f2.8 DG DN lenses and they are superb and quite popular. I own the native E-mount Sigma Art 24-70mm f2.8 DG DN and it is excellent in all respects. Yes i own both this Sigma and the Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS and use both and am not getting rid of either, LOL.

One here, Sony A7RIV, native E-mount Sigma Art 24-70mm f2.8 DG DN lens. The Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco, California, USA. 24mm, ISO 200, f8, 1/80 second, handheld. I shot at 1/80 second because I wanted some motion in the crashing water but still wanted to be able to easily handheld the shot.

Cheers and best to you.


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Dec 31, 2022 17:21:12   #
linda lagace
 
User ID wrote:
I have found the exact opposite to be true. But thaz no sooprize. Adapting is quite the crap shoot and boils down to SPECIFIC bodies, lenses, adapters, and FW. Thaz quite gumbo.

I use Nikons 28-300, 24-120, and 24-85 on an a7III by a Fotodiox version II. That all works great. But the earlier a7II act clunky AF-wise. I have many adapters and for Nikon and Canon lenses and found theres really no logic to which works best with which.

I use Canon lenses on Z bodies and found the Z6 and Z7 each "prefer" a different adapter for the same set of Canon lenses.

IOW, generalized statements (quoting yours above) are not reliable advice. Its a maddeningly random mix and match game and returning adapters to vendors until you hit a good match is just routine.
I have found the exact opposite to be true. But th... (show quote)


Even the tech guy warned me. He said to use it and see how it worked. At least I tried. I was trying to shoot some courting crows in flight. It was great to watch and it seemed like I was hitting focus some of the time (at least the action seemed stopped when I hit the focus and shutter.) But when I looked at the raws I wasn't happy. The amazing thing to me was how the mirrorless actually seemed to stop the action of these crows and the nearby waves crashing on the shore. I am just now learning how to really use this mirrorless camera. Focus and exposure are two challenges that I can still miss. I shoot manually because I get better results (At least I did with my Nikon). These were challenging conditions. Fog, birds in flight, extremely black birds. huge contrasts of light etc so maybe I wasn't being fair to the adapter. But I want equipment that I don't have to fight with. A native lens seems like the best bet at least for me. Why add the complications of an adapter that might hit or miss on auto focus. But I am obviously digressing way off subject!!!!!!

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Dec 31, 2022 17:26:59   #
linda lagace
 
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, it seems I have learned something today - which is why I am on UHH !

I assumed, (wrongly) that since Tamron makes a 35-150 2.8-4 for Canon and Nikon that they would SURELY make it for Sony E and, that since they make a 35-150 f2-2.8 for Sony that they would also make it for Canon and Nikon .......AND, since Sigma makes the 24-105 Art for Canon, Nikon, and Sony A that they would SURELY make one for Sony E Sooooo, just FORGET everything I said - unless you use adapters
That Sigma does not make a 24-105 for Sony E at this stage of history is insanely inconceivable !
.
Yes, it seems I have learned something today - whi... (show quote)


doesn't make sense but I guess that's life. And why we have macs and pcs. AH,,,,,, if we could only standardize the world. Wait!!! Maybe not. There would be nothing for UHHers to argue about.

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Dec 31, 2022 17:28:23   #
linda lagace
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
There is NO third-party native E-mount 24-105mm f4 lens to challenge the native E-mount Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS, go figure.

Sigma does make great native E-mount Sigma Art 24-70mm f2.8 DG DN, and native E-mount Sigma Contemporary 28-70mm f2.8 DG DN lenses and they are superb and quite popular. I own the native E-mount Sigma Art 24-70mm f2.8 DG DN and it is excellent in all respects. Yes i own both this Sigma and the Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS and use both and am not getting rid of either, LOL.

One here, Sony A7RIV, native E-mount Sigma Art 24-70mm f2.8 DG DN lens. The Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco, California, USA. 24mm, ISO 200, f8, 1/80 second, handheld. I shot at 1/80 second because I wanted some motion in the crashing water but still wanted to be able to easily handheld the shot.

Cheers and best to you.
There is NO third-party native E-mount 24-105mm f4... (show quote)


these are great pics

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Dec 31, 2022 17:32:04   #
gwilliams6
 
linda lagace wrote:
Even the tech guy warned me. He said to use it and see how it worked. At least I tried. I was trying to shoot some courting crows in flight. It was great to watch and it seemed like I was hitting focus some of the time (at least the action seemed stopped when I hit the focus and shutter.) But when I looked at the raws I wasn't happy. The amazing thing to me was how the mirrorless actually seemed to stop the action of these crows and the nearby waves crashing on the shore. I am just now learning how to really use this mirrorless camera. Focus and exposure are two challenges that I can still miss. I shoot manually because I get better results (At least I did with my Nikon). These were challenging conditions. Fog, birds in flight, extremely black birds. huge contrasts of light etc so maybe I wasn't being fair to the adapter. But I want equipment that I don't have to fight with. A native lens seems like the best bet at least for me. Why add the complications of an adapter that might hit or miss on auto focus. But I am obviously digressing way off subject!!!!!!
Even the tech guy warned me. He said to use it and... (show quote)


You are not digressing, yes dont use adapted lenses if you can use native E-mount lenses.

Here is Sony ambassador Mark Galer's Sony Alpha Focus Masterclass: (87 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJXsUFltSXo

Cheers and best to you.

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Dec 31, 2022 17:32:42   #
gwilliams6
 
linda lagace wrote:
these are great pics


Thanks,

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Dec 31, 2022 19:59:12   #
linda lagace
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
You are not digressing, yes dont use adapted lenses if you can use native E-mount lenses.

Here is Sony ambassador Mark Galer's Sony Alpha Focus Masterclass: (87 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJXsUFltSXo

Cheers and best to you.


I am going to use the native lens Tks to everyone for the great discussion

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Dec 31, 2022 20:05:41   #
gwilliams6
 
linda lagace wrote:
I am going to use the native lens Tks to everyone for the great discussion


All the best to you.

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Dec 31, 2022 20:08:51   #
wireloose
 
billnikon wrote:
It appears you have already made up your mind because of your quote, "finances are a consideration". So I feel you have already made up your mind to get the Tamron.
When I shot Nikon I had a Nikon 24-120 which served me well as a sort of carry "one lens on vacation" mantra.
So when I got my Sony a9 I got the Sony 24-105 on sale from B&H for around $1100. I took it with me on travels to the Panama Canal and to the National Parks in Utah this year. I always use a polarizer for most of my shots.
The f4 was not a problem with todays high iso shooting capabilities. I also have always liked what 24mm does in landscapes.
I have never used the Tamron and cannot comment on it.
However, on B&H 82% of users of the Sony give it a 5, 69% of the users of the Tamron give it a 5.
Of course users ratings should NOT be taken into consideration because what do these people really know about photography, it is just their opinion.
The Sony weights in at 1.46 lbs. the Tamron 1.74 lbs. Again, what does the weight have to do with anything.
Bottom line, the Sony when on sale costs about $1100 compared to the very low price of the Tamron of $639.00. A difference of almost $460.00, and $660.00 when the Sony is not on sale. 50% savings for the Tamron.
So, for me, I would buy the Sony cause it was developed and made specifically for my Sony.
The Tamron company makes their glass to operate on many different camera's.
And yes, the IBIS on the Sony camera's works well with the image stabilization on the lens.
But, because the Tamron is cheaper, I would just like to say, enjoy your new Tamron lens.
Below are some grab shots I took with my Sony, not that it means anything.
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Maybe we are looking at different lenses. The Tamron 35-150 f2-2.8 for e mount is $1900 and weighs 2.57 lbs, its new, and 90% of users on B&H give it a 5. That at least is the one I have and commented on. It is only available in e mount right now at least and Sony does own a share in Tamron which I think is why their performance is very good for a 3rd party lens- generally reviews seem to rank them very close to the equivalent (more expensive) Sony.

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Jan 1, 2023 05:32:02   #
User ID
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Most pros wont touch a Nikon DSLR-designed lens to Sony mirrorless E-mount adapter, they dont work great for fast autofocus, especially in video or fast fps shooting. Pros cant risk missing critical shots with so-so performance, just a fact.

On all the Sony and Nikon forums you hear from frustrated Nikon DSLR-designed lens owners who were hoping they could use their vast Nikon DSLR lens collections on the latest Sony mirrorless bodies and get full native E-mount lens performance. The reality is they dont.

Great if yours work well enough for you on your A7III.

All experts agree and I can also say from my vast experience that the MC-11 adaptor works by far the best for using Canon EF lenses on Sony E-mount bodies, better than the Metabones ones.

Not talking about mirrorless Nikon Z-mount or mirrorless Canon RF-mount lenses being used on Sony bodies with adaptors.

Cheers and best to you.
Most pros wont touch a Nikon DSLR-designed lens to... (show quote)

Some verrrrrry familiar sweeping generalizations ... but your closing paragraph is distinctly telling.

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Jan 1, 2023 12:49:02   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
For landscape, f/2.8 is not useful. Also, 24mm is more useful for landscape than 35mm.

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