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Dec 15, 2022 08:10:46   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
burkphoto wrote:
I never did like the geeky side of it. Did it, tolerated it, but held my nose through it all. I had a Mac and a PC on my desk from 1985 to 2012. For the last seven years of it, the PC was IN the Mac as Win XP running on Parallels Desktop. THAT made sense. I used to help the IT Manager with various network and software installations. I was a Mac network admin during that time, too, so I saw all kinds of ugly stuff. Fired a third shift guy for downloading porn on a PC in one of my film scanning computers. Caught the guy who introduced a Mac virus to our typesetting department in the 1990s. Most fun was developing FileMaker Pro Database Solutions to print millions of greeting cards for a chain of portrait studios who were a big client of our lab. That was all on the side while I was managing six departments in the school portrait lab. No wonder I retired early. Pressure? WHAT PRESSURE? GAAAAAAA HAHAHAHA!!! Thank-you, I feel much better now.
I never did like the geeky side of it. Did it, tol... (show quote)

Haha.
I and a bunch of my friends were Computer Geeks wayyyy before the term was even coined.

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Dec 15, 2022 09:07:11   #
RS Bandit
 
Very good information. Consider the following:

1. Have patience
2. Work at it (devote time in 1-hour blocks)
3. Consider many of the free on-line "educational sources"
4. HAVE PATIENCE

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Dec 15, 2022 09:07:55   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Tracy B. wrote:
I have a friend that told me he was going to be the second shooter at a wedding. He asked me how to get the pictures he took off the computer to the couple. He has very Basic knowledge of computers. He wants to get together with me before the wedding to go over a few things. I am afraid he is way over his head. Also, he doesn't have any editing software. He wouldn't know how to use it if he had it anyway.


Your friend only has to get the images to the primary photographer. Encourage that approach.

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Dec 15, 2022 09:09:24   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
Yes I will. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Dec 15, 2022 09:38:08   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
Yes, agree, he is way over his head based on your description of his knowledge, or lack of.

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Dec 15, 2022 09:46:19   #
badapple Loc: Twin Lake, Michigan
 
burkphoto wrote:
For everything in analog photography, there is an analogous replacement in digital photography.

You're gonna need the usual:

Camera, lenses, bag, lens cleaning supplies, tripod(s), flash, reflectors, etc.

You'll also need:

>Special sensor cleaning tools and knowledge http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com https://photosol.com

>Digital exposure and white balance reference target or device (Delta-1 Gray Cards, One Shot Digital Calibration Target, WhiBal, etc.)

>CIRCULAR polarizer and CLEAR GLASS protectors (but no colored filters and no UV filter below 6000 feet)

>Neutral Density filters for video (if you are serious about video) or for the cheesy silky waterfall effect in stills, if you like that

>Flash media (SDXC cards or Compact Flash Type A or B or similar media for your camera)

>Spare batteries for the camera (Get several. They go quickly!)

To replace your darkroom or lab:

>Well-specified computer (MacOS or Windows, your choice, less than five years old, please see software vendor for minimum specs)

>Backup hard drives for on-site and off-site protection of your priceless files

>Monitor NOT made for gaming or office use, but MADE FOR photography and graphics

>Monitor calibration kit from Calibrite or Datacolor or X-Rite

>Dimly-lit room with no glaring light sources

>Software appropriate for photo editing such as:
——Adobe Lightroom Classic and Photoshop
——Adobe Photoshop Elements
——Serif Affinity Photo
——Apple Photos with Raw Power Plug-in from the App Store
——Capture One
(and any of about a dozen others)

>Photo inkjet printer and ink, or a good photo lab using ROES (remote order entry system) software

Minimum computer skills include:

Understanding how the file system works (navigating the directory structure, your drives, your network, the Internet...)
Understanding how to type and use a mouse or trackpad with precision
Understanding how to install software, how to make and where to put a Mac alias or Windows shortcut to the software
Understanding file backup routines and the absolute necessity for having one!
Learning the software you use to store, edit, process, share, and print your images

Digital Photography isn't inexpensive. Sure, there's no film "drug" to be "addicted" to, but there is the hardware and software and learning curve.

Many local museums and arts cooperatives conduct photography courses. Many community colleges teach computer and photography courses. Some computer dealers will have local seminars to train their customers. Don't feel completely lost, because there are plenty of sources of help.
For everything in analog photography, there is an ... (show quote)


And: an understanding wife/husband 😊.

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Dec 15, 2022 09:57:16   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 

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Dec 15, 2022 11:22:42   #
HRoss Loc: Longmont, CO
 
gvarner wrote:
If you don’t know much about computers, and you get a digital camera for Christmas, you better learn quick or you will be stuck looking at your photos on the back of the camera or getting them lost when trying to put them on your computer. Digital cameras are a computer accessory.


If all you want to do is view the shots you've taken with your new digital camera, several earlier comments will help you get started. The downloading process is the first step, and your camera usually comes with software to do that. The comment about where to store your shots is another smart suggestion.

Unless you are looking to become serious in photography, all the editing software is a future option. The cost of shooting and looking at your work is minimal. Don't get ahead of yourself, it's not that frightening. Just shoot and enjoy.

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Dec 15, 2022 11:38:42   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
Bill_de wrote:
What are the odds that somebody needing that advice would be reading this thread?

Can we get 12 pages?



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Excellent point!

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Dec 15, 2022 12:01:21   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
gvarner wrote:
If you don’t know much about computers, and you get a digital camera for Christmas, you better learn quick or you will be stuck looking at your photos on the back of the camera or getting them lost when trying to put them on your computer. Digital cameras are a computer accessory.


If this thread is about digital cameras you got it backwards: Computers are a digital camera accessory.

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Dec 15, 2022 12:05:26   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
If this thread is about digital cameras you got it backwards: Computers are a digital camera accessory.



A necessary accessory.
One can use a computer without a camera,
but it's VERY cumbersome to use a camera without a computer.

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Dec 15, 2022 12:09:48   #
photoman43
 
Longshadow wrote:

And learn the file structure and how it works!!!

Develop a storage method before you start putting the images on the computer!
It will save a lot of headaches later.


Yes! It is a system, not just a camera.

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Dec 15, 2022 12:10:04   #
mikenolan Loc: Lincoln Nebraska
 
Keep in mind that with many computers and cell phones these days, the default storage mode is to store most files, including pictures, in the cloud somewhere, whether it's on OneDrive, iCloud, or somewhere else.

So that means if you put your pictures on your computer or use a cell phone camera, there's a strong chance they're out there on the cloud and can leak out. If you're doing NSFW work, that could be a big problem.

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Dec 15, 2022 12:10:24   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
mikeroetex wrote:
And we wonder why so many people now prefer to take pictures with a cell phone instead of a “real” camera!


Using a smartphone does not necessarily make the process any different or easier. A smartphone is actually a radiotelephonic, Internet-connected, high performance, miniature, general purpose computer with many other tools integrated into the case. It uses software just like your desktop computer.

In fact, many of the apps on my iPhone run on my MacBook Air, unchanged, or there are Mac versions of them! Of course, it's a little weird using iPhone apps with a mouse or trackpad, but if they install, they work.

Lightroom is available in versions for iPads, iPhones, Android devices, Macs, and PCs. So you can do many of the same things on all those devices.

Since Apple fully integrates all their products with each other, images I record on my phone go up to iCloud and get downloaded to my MacBook Air. I can edit them in Photos on the phone or on the Mac. I can export them from Photos to use in Lightroom Classic or any other application.

So having a phone DOES mean you can do everything on the phone, but you don't have to. Here's an image I took in October (streets of Vernazza, Italy) on an old iPhone 7 Plus. I exported it from Photos, pulled it into Lightroom Classic, and very lightly post-processed it until I liked it. I then dropped it into Photoshop and used the Neural filters to make an "altered states" version of it.

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Dec 15, 2022 12:28:46   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
So you guys are coming to the show VERY late. Where were you all when I was very happy with film and just putting a toe into the water, exploring this new fangled digital photography idea that everyone was talking about??? At this stage, this thread is NO help whatsoever!!!

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