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Dec 13, 2022 11:14:13   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
I think that the image with a square crop cutting out most of the foreground leaves is much stronger., unless the foreground is your subject.

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Dec 13, 2022 11:25:53   #
J-SPEIGHT Loc: Akron, Ohio
 
daldds wrote:
We all know that they are important and that they help make or break a photograph.
I took this shot because I was attracted by the light from the broken sky, reflecting on the wet surfaces of slate and brick, my original "foreground." I did not see the leaves until I started processing.
My question is, do they enhance the image?


I like it. Very nice image.

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Dec 13, 2022 11:49:31   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
IMHO, your image is excellent, without any compositional adjustments ,subtractions or additions needed . The foreground leaves do totally enhance the image, and foreground subjects give more depth to landscape images.

As a longtime Professor of Photography at a state university, I have taught this to my hundreds of photo students in the three main photo courses I teach, Digital Photography, Photojournalism, 35mm B&W Film Photography.

And my opinion as a pro photojournalist shooting all subjects around the world with over 48 years in the business, and as a judge of many top professional photo competitions is just one of countless opinions, as we all see art and photographic composition differently and that is fine.

Here Loch Shiel in Glenfinnan in the Scottish Highlands, location of numerous scenes filmed in the Harry Potter Movie series . Foreground subjects give it added depth and interest. Click on download to see the better image quality.

Cheers and best to you.
IMHO, your image is excellent, without any composi... (show quote)


Your photo is beautiful! This is not meant as a criticism, but it looks like a photo out of an old Kodak how-to book where they said that to make a photo successful put a person wearing RED somewhere in the frame!

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Dec 13, 2022 13:08:46   #
MFTVGirl Loc: Baltimore, MD
 
The leaves also help to carry the yellows and golds around the image.

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Dec 13, 2022 13:41:08   #
Moondoggie Loc: Southern California
 
I like your picture just they way you took it.

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Dec 13, 2022 13:44:17   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
It's a great image, best left alone.

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Dec 13, 2022 14:06:53   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
daldds wrote:
We all know that they are important and that they help make or break a photograph.
I took this shot because I was attracted by the light from the broken sky, reflecting on the wet surfaces of slate and brick, my original "foreground." I did not see the leaves until I started processing.
My question is, do they enhance the image?


IMO, the leaves in the foreground 'do' enhance the image. They provide context about the time of year and add visual interest to the scene.

While the idea of a leading line was questioned, I see a nice leading line starting at the left reflection, proceeding to the right reflection, then thru the nearest street lamp, up the stairs to the couple and thru the bright part of the clouds, exiting out the upper left of the image.

I do have some suggestions regarding this image. First, I thinks its a very nicely composed image and I don't feel any crop would enhance it. It has strong bones (a critique I received once) but it needs just a little TLC, if you do any post-processing.

1) The branches in the upper left are a distraction and don't add to the composition so I would remove them but not using a crop. The current composition is fine.

2) I would remove the garbage can at the foot of the steps. It's an eyesore and doesn't add to the composition, at all.

3) The lit street lamps indicate that it's evening, but the brightness of the image doesn't support that. Consider decreasing the image brightness and increasing contrast to give the viewer a sense of evening.

4) The white background thru the main tree and the tree branches in the upper right makes it feel like a PP halo. Darkening the bright areas thru the trees would reduce this effect making the sky a more natural look.

5) A little selective dodge and burn would enhance the lighting, strengthening the evening feel and further strengthen the leading line.

6) Finally, the lens flare in the green shrubs above the golden bush is another distraction that wouldn't hurt if it wasn't there.

Just my thoughts and opinion about this image. Hope this gives you some ideas about your final print.

Mike


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Dec 13, 2022 14:08:13   #
dreff Loc: Bow, WA
 
They do...see M.C. Escher's "Three Thoughts"

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Dec 13, 2022 15:52:47   #
dhspeck
 
I'd crop most of them out.

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Dec 13, 2022 18:28:32   #
gwilliams6
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Your photo is beautiful! This is not meant as a criticism, but it looks like a photo out of an old Kodak how-to book where they said that to make a photo successful put a person wearing RED somewhere in the frame!


Thanks. You are welcome to your critical opinion, that is the UHHer way to find SOMETHING they dislike about any photo posted here, LOL.

FYI, as a career, worldwide award winning photojournalist I dont stage travel photos, and this was a candid shot of someone else's kids that I chose to frame in my composition. I had nothing to do with what clothes and colors they were dressed in and what they were doing. LOL

Now back to the important points in response to some comments here.
As a longtime judge of top photo contests, if I was shown the OP's original composition with the leaves in the foreground, and the doctored and cropped ones that folks are suggesting, there would be no doubt which shot would be the winning composition, the original with the leaves and nothing else changed. Same if any of my university photo students presented these suggested versions.

Sure I crop some photos for better clarity and dramatic effect, but I also prefer to crop in the camera and leave it alone in post. I teach this to all my photo students.

IMHO, the doctored and cropped ones just dont have the same interest and depth of the original, not even close Sometimes less manipulation in post is better than more tinkering, this is one of those cases.

Cheers and best to you all.

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Dec 13, 2022 18:37:53   #
daldds Loc: NYC
 
I didn't realize how much interest my photo and question would generate. I enjoyed all of the remarks, all of the critiques (even those with which I did not agree).
This photo was taken at 10:30 in the morning as the storm was leaving the area. What some of you have done with the image shows how differently we all observe. Fun, isn't it?

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Dec 13, 2022 19:24:33   #
gwilliams6
 
daldds wrote:
I didn't realize how much interest my photo and question would generate. I enjoyed all of the remarks, all of the critiques (even those with which I did not agree).
This photo was taken at 10:30 in the morning as the storm was leaving the area. What some of you have done with the image shows how differently we all observe. Fun, isn't it?


A quote from online Digital Photography School:

"Get it right the first time
I need to close this article with a rather important cropping caveat: it’s always best to get the photo right at the time you shoot it. Cropping is fine and can certainly be used to great effect. But really, the best solution is to make sure you are shooting intentionally and using things like leading lines and eliminating distractions when you actually take the photos. However if you find that your images just aren’t quite as appealing as they could be, then by all means start cropping."

https://digital-photography-school.com/tips-cropping-better-composition/

Cheers and best to you. I love your shot, just the way it is.

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Dec 13, 2022 19:41:45   #
gwilliams6
 
Delderby wrote:
It seems to me that too many photographers cannot resist playing with PP regardless - and have little time for another's point of view.


I totally agree,

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Dec 13, 2022 19:59:40   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
Like the image. Keep the leaves and remove the branches in the upper left hand corner.

Don

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Dec 13, 2022 21:28:56   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Thanks. You are welcome to your critical opinion, that is the UHHer way to find SOMETHING they dislike about any photo posted here, LOL.

FYI, as a career, worldwide award winning photojournalist I dont stage travel photos, and this was a candid shot of someone else's kids that I chose to frame in my composition. I had nothing to do with what clothes and colors they were dressed in and what they were doing. LOL

Now back to the important points in response to some comments here.
As a longtime judge of top photo contests, if I was shown the OP's original composition with the leaves in the foreground, and the doctored and cropped ones that folks are suggesting, there would be no doubt which shot would be the winning composition, the original with the leaves and nothing else changed. Same if any of my university photo students presented these suggested versions.

Sure I crop some photos for better clarity and dramatic effect, but I also prefer to crop in the camera and leave it alone in post. I teach this to all my photo students.

IMHO, the doctored and cropped ones just dont have the same interest and depth of the original, not even close Sometimes less manipulation in post is better than more tinkering, this is one of those cases.

Cheers and best to you all.
Thanks. You are welcome to your critical opinion, ... (show quote)


As I said. No criticism intended. I didn't dislike ANYTHING about the photo...geeze!
A bit touchy are we??

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