Embarrassed
Dec 11, 2022 21:00:09 #
Alafoto wrote:
Tell him you'll be glad to accept another commission when he finishes paying for the last. Of course, due to his current payment record, you'll have to ask for payment in advance. BTW, find another doctor!
This was not his doctor. They work in the same hospital. Op needs to forget this transaction and walk away. Never bring it up. It's a learning experience.
Dec 11, 2022 21:44:44 #
Jklovell wrote:
Either way, I look bad. As it stands, it appears I wanted too much for something of little value. If I re-neg, I still look bad. How can I just let him know how disrespectful he was, that he’s the jerk. I feel like he needs to know he was wrong.
Stop right there. Do not conflate a product purchase with the worth of Art. The two are not the same nor are they equal. Just walk away telling him that since there was no meeting of the mind, there is no basis for sale.
You are in a no Win situation. Even asking why his fees are so high for the doctoring he does, he still will not comprehend it.
Again, just tell him that there was no sale because there was not a meeting of minds. You can fall back on telling him that it was obvious that there was miscommunication. Do not even expound on it. Don't even bother to try to teach him something that he has not learned. Let him be with his "jerk". Do not give him anything regarding the photograph. You have placed a correct value to your work. You are not reneging. He is refusing to meet your price. You are not required to sell him anything. The next time, just put together an itemized Invoice and no product until his money gets transferred. That is the only price you will take. Be prepared to walk away with a NO SALE. Thus you avoid buying into headaches that are not yours. (I walked away from systems I designed and charged in the tens of thousands of dollars. I provided itemized lists of costs. I did not give over any technical information for the systems until I was paid in full.)
Dec 11, 2022 22:30:45 #
Klickitatdave
Loc: Seattle Washington
frankraney wrote:
The hospital WILL NOT SUPPORT HIM. This was an outside transaction. Had nothing to do with the hospital.
Actually, because the contract to print the photo presumably occurred on the hospital grounds, involved two hospital employees, and has possible ramifications to the maintenance of a cooperative work environment, it can be argued that it is not simply an "Outside transaction". In that regard it does potentially have something to do with the hospital. I do agree that the probability of the hospital administration supporting him should he decide to pursue the issue with them is around zero so I would recommend that he just let it go and learn from the experience no matter how unfair it was. I never suggested otherwise.
Dec 11, 2022 23:56:38 #
Klickitatdave wrote:
Actually, because the contract to print the photo ... (show quote)
I think about the only thing the hospital could do is fire them for connecting outside businesses on company time,or at least repremand them.
I used to work for a company that informed new hires in writing (the contract) against doing outside business on company time. We were reminded periodically also. First time a warning, second, good by.
Dec 12, 2022 00:29:58 #
Dec 12, 2022 01:15:30 #
The doctor has been labelled as con man, exploiter and even sociopath. It's possible that he wasn't familiar with how expensive mounted photos can be and he felt that he was being ripped off. He may have seen the original asking price as being unrealistically high and tried to backpedal his way to a lower price. His methods may not be very commendable, but as has been noted, a lack of an up-front agreement left the situation wide open to misunderstandings.
Dec 12, 2022 05:40:18 #
nervous2 wrote:
No. Life's too short as it is. Just smile and go on with life.
I have read all of the replies and your reply is the only one that will effectively help the situation.
"Happy and broke is way better than rich and miserable."
Dec 12, 2022 05:56:13 #
He's a Doctor! His bills are always considered to be too high by his patients. He's used to accepting lower than billed payments from third party payers. Psychologically, he's "projecting", expecting your thinking to be similar to his own.
Dec 12, 2022 06:41:21 #
One more insight; don't know the background of the doctor, but many in our local hospitals are from the mid-east, India, and other parts of Asia. They grew up in a culture of bartering for lower prices when there was not a clear cost of items. It may be ingrained that they have strategies for "getting a better deal", even if they can well afford the original price. It may not have anything to do with what the doctor thinks of the finished product. Don't be offended or let it "eat at your craw", just be jolly as ever with him, relationships are far more valuable than money.
Dec 12, 2022 08:01:59 #
Bigmike1
Loc: I am from Gaffney, S.C. but live in Utah.
Take good old Judge Roy Bean's view on the matter...."P*ss on him and the horse he rode in on too!" Then avoid him in the future. Suck it up and move on. He isn't worth the effort.
Dec 12, 2022 08:53:29 #
You have a lot of good advice on the next time situation. Now I would put the image on a CD or memory stick and present it to him and tell him that when you sell an image the person gets the image so that no other person would get a copy. Then I would delete the image or store it so that he has exclusive rights to that photo. Who knows, he may feel that he was acting very cheep in his dealings but you are free to move on!
Dec 12, 2022 08:55:24 #
He should have stuck to the verbal deal that the price didn't matter but he didn't. And you took him at his word. All water under the bridge now. Let it go. Put it out of your mind. You did make something on it. This won't happen to you again- guaranteed. Lesson learned-priceless.
I personally think the image is stunning- unique, interesting and dramatic.
I personally think the image is stunning- unique, interesting and dramatic.
Dec 12, 2022 08:59:22 #
Bubbee wrote:
Take the high road and take all that advice. It's a lesson learned.
And...I hope you're resisting the temptation to share the misfortune at the workplace with co-workers. That would
not be wise!
And...I hope you're resisting the temptation to share the misfortune at the workplace with co-workers. That would
not be wise!
So true!
Dec 12, 2022 11:02:55 #
Dik wrote:
He's a Doctor! His bills are always considered to be too high by his patients. He's used to accepting lower than billed payments from third party payers. Psychologically, he's "projecting", expecting your thinking to be similar to his own.
This is a good excuse for his thinking and coupling this with what nervous2 wrote: No. Life's too short as it is. Just smile and go on with life.
Smile,
JimmyT Sends
Dec 12, 2022 12:42:32 #
Jklovell wrote:
He told me not to worry about the price and to charge him what I thought it was worth; and not to give him any special treatment based on his position.
He told me not to worry about the price and to charge him what I thought it was worth; and not to give him any special treatment based on his position.
That should've been your first warning. My vote is to forget it. People like that are just too cheap. He'll probably post something about you taking advantage of his "position" and charge him a high price.
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