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Dec 11, 2022 05:36:10   #
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway Loc: none
 
Jklovell wrote:
I apologize for not contributing more to the forum. It seems like just with prayer, I only come here when I need advice. For that, I am sorry, although my current predicament is likely punishment enough. Here goes:
A doctor at the hospital where I serve as a nurse, liked one of my fine art photographs enough that he asked if I’d sell him a printed canvas of it. He told me not to worry about the price and to charge him what I thought it was worth; and not to give him any special treatment based on his position. I gave him a custom chopped stretched floated framed canvas measuring 20” X 40”. I priced it at $425. He didn’t have the money at first, but said he’d have it the next day. The next day he said he thought the price was too high. I was embarrassed and didn’t know what to do, so I lowered the price to $350. He only had four- one hundred dollar bills and I didn’t have change so I just took $300 and walked away. Now I’m pissed. I don’t really care about the money as much as the disrespect. I want to give him his money back and get the piece back. Should I?
I apologize for not contributing more to the forum... (show quote)


The trouble is more on price than disrespect I think. With today's cell phone AI images and online print order- delivery, you are most likely getting a reaction you should consider on pricing and is based on what the market will bare...

Typically I will give away a print at cost to promote my business. A typical 30 by 40 inch print on fabric has a baseline cost of $95 to $100 with tax. If your image is already edited for another porpoise, then consider that. Double that price would make 100% for you, but you received 200%. Surviving the next decade will take efficiency and adaptation to a changing market to stay in the trade...

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Dec 11, 2022 05:43:51   #
George Limle
 
I give mine away. When someone smiles and likes my work that’s good enough for me!

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Dec 11, 2022 06:04:20   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Jklovell wrote:
I apologize for not contributing more to the forum. It seems like just with prayer, I only come here when I need advice. For that, I am sorry, although my current predicament is likely punishment enough. Here goes:
A doctor at the hospital where I serve as a nurse, liked one of my fine art photographs enough that he asked if I’d sell him a printed canvas of it. He told me not to worry about the price and to charge him what I thought it was worth; and not to give him any special treatment based on his position. I gave him a custom chopped stretched floated framed canvas measuring 20” X 40”. I priced it at $425. He didn’t have the money at first, but said he’d have it the next day. The next day he said he thought the price was too high. I was embarrassed and didn’t know what to do, so I lowered the price to $350. He only had four- one hundred dollar bills and I didn’t have change so I just took $300 and walked away. Now I’m pissed. I don’t really care about the money as much as the disrespect. I want to give him his money back and get the piece back. Should I?
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What was your cost?
I would chalk it up to lesson learned.
Set a price after you see your cost and what YOU want to make on top of that.
Does he lower his fee if you do not have the money, think it is too much or do not have change?
He got you on the change, he had the $400 in his wallet and was ready to pay that until you went too low and he screwed yo with the change story. You should have taken the $400 and then said you could make the change tomorrow.

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Dec 11, 2022 06:48:33   #
chipwilder
 
Never assume a potential customer means what they say. If you don’t have a standard price list, agree on the size he wants and tell him you will get back to him. Determine what your cost will be and price it accordingly. Agree on the price before you have the print made! Many people have no clue on the cost of making quality canvas prints. The doctor just assumed what it would cost and balked when it was more than he expected. Agreeing up front protects both parties and prevents hard feelings!

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Dec 11, 2022 06:54:49   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Jklovell wrote:
I apologize for not contributing more to the forum. It seems like just with prayer, I only come here when I need advice. For that, I am sorry, although my current predicament is likely punishment enough. Here goes:
A doctor at the hospital where I serve as a nurse, liked one of my fine art photographs enough that he asked if I’d sell him a printed canvas of it. He told me not to worry about the price and to charge him what I thought it was worth; and not to give him any special treatment based on his position. I gave him a custom chopped stretched floated framed canvas measuring 20” X 40”. I priced it at $425. He didn’t have the money at first, but said he’d have it the next day. The next day he said he thought the price was too high. I was embarrassed and didn’t know what to do, so I lowered the price to $350. He only had four- one hundred dollar bills and I didn’t have change so I just took $300 and walked away. Now I’m pissed. I don’t really care about the money as much as the disrespect. I want to give him his money back and get the piece back. Should I?
I apologize for not contributing more to the forum... (show quote)


There is your first lesson in retail. Make sure the customer knows what the product costs AHEAD OF TIME. Regardless of what the customer says up front.
And it's best to give a range of product prices. Glossy, Canvas, Metal, just a print, different sizes available, etc.
The only disrespect I see is your own.

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Dec 11, 2022 06:56:28   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
If you have to be in a work relationship with him, you need to just let it go and chalk it up to experience.
In the future, advise how much it will cost someone prior to making the print.
However, if you can pass it on in casual conversation without risk of an uncomfortable work situation, you my say you think your price was a fair “market” price and remind him of what he agreed to. Maybe he will pay you more.
I’m sure others might say drop it so you need to decide.

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Dec 11, 2022 07:01:37   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
Initially the dr. Liked it enough to agree to a purchase and not give him any special consideration regarding the price so he must of really liked it. Then had a doorway lobotomy.

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Dec 11, 2022 07:04:06   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
My guess is that he wasn't familiar with how much those kind of prints can cost and he thought he was being ripped off. As soon as that sentiment enters the mix he's not going to be happy paying the full asking price.

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Dec 11, 2022 07:15:54   #
DavidM Loc: New Orleans, LA
 
Your price should depend on how much you value your photo. Check out the link below..

https://www.ppa.com/articles/what-should-i-charge-photography-pricing-101

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Dec 11, 2022 07:49:53   #
Wanda Krack Loc: Tennessee, USA
 
Sometimes it's difficult to let go of wanting to teach someone a lesson, but we all have to do that at times in our lives. Your client could have told you why he thought your asking price was too high, or you could have let him know how much you had to pay for the printing and mounting and shipping if you did not do it yourself. At any rate, moving on, and learning a lesson on how to deal with selling your art sounds to me like the way to go right now. The advice others here have given you is sound. Just think, ten years from now the two of you will probably not even be working in the same place!

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Dec 11, 2022 08:07:37   #
jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Jklovell wrote:
Here goes:
............. Should I?


Here goes...
No, don't ask for it back. Move on and learn. The only thing that will likely occur is that there will be a confrontation. You are part of a work environment with this person, and your actions are not in a vacuum. If you worked elsewhere and in your own business--different story.
When you have another opportunity to sell your work...
1. ESTABLISH A PRICE FOR WHICH YOU WILL BE HAPPY.
This has nothing to do with actual cost (as long as it is covered!)
2. Provide, in writing, the options for framing and their cost. This will be for photographs that need to be printed and framed per your purchaser's specifications. This will also serve as a 'provenance' for your work.
Have them sign it and indicate that a 50% deposit is required and non-refundable-with full payment upon receipt or prior to shipping.
3. If it is a pre-framed photograph--then provide in writing the specifications and cost-with full payment due upon receipt of shipping.
This is a business and trust is not an attribute or requirement. And, as others have said, doing business at work only amplifies these requirements. If someone tells you that they don't have 'all the money'; let them know that you can wait.
Take what happened here and don't let it dissuade you from pursuing your dreams. Look at this experience as an asset and not a liability. An important lesson that 'cost you $125'.
Beautiful picture....move on with confidence.

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Dec 11, 2022 08:17:59   #
george19
 
Lots of good responses here. Best to just leave it be, but…when the time comes for you to use his services make sure to get your comeuppance when the bill arrives.

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Dec 11, 2022 08:25:09   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
I put my work out there for sale a lot, and it can frequently be disappointing. One fellow really liked (and I do mean REALLY) one of my images that was printed as a small canvas print. He objected to the price. As an experiment, I said he should make me an offer. What he offered didn't even cover the cost of the print, let alone getting the image! And I told him so. His response was that with digital there is no cost to getting the image, so all I had a "right" to cover was the cost of the printing. He was surprised at how much that was, though. I think people are really unappreciative of photography because 1) everyone has a camera and takes pictures, and 2) they seldom print anything so they have no idea how much it costs to print and frame, and 3) they take pictures while on vacation so the expense of getting to a destination is just part of the vacation expenses.

I have established prices, so it's a bit easier, but I don't think the price you set for that size of print is outlandish. So many hobbyists downprice their work because they "don't do it for the money." That sets a precedent for all photogs for buyers to think that photography is cheap. It isn't. It's very expensive whether it's work or hobby. It is a good idea, though, to establish the price BEFORE making the print and getting a deposit. I would have taken his $400 and owed him the $50!

Oh, and by the way, the fellow who liked my print eventually purchased it at $15 off the listed price, but he paid the sales tax, so I actually made out pretty well on it!

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Dec 11, 2022 08:36:58   #
george19
 
AzPicLady wrote:
I put my work out there for sale a lot, and it can frequently be disappointing. One fellow really liked (and I do mean REALLY) one of my images that was printed as a small canvas print. He objected to the price. As an experiment, I said he should make me an offer. What he offered didn't even cover the cost of the print, let alone getting the image!


I think it’s a sad global condition where people undervalue the assets and abilities of others. Selling photographs is just one example. Set the moral example, and don’t sell yourself short.

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Dec 11, 2022 08:46:43   #
Toby
 
DavidM wrote:
Your price should depend on how much you value your photo. Check out the link below..

https://www.ppa.com/articles/what-should-i-charge-photography-pricing-101


Exactly, a product is only worth what someone will pay for it. If it has more value to you keep it or find another customer

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