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Dec 9, 2022 06:50:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I'm not planning to fly anywhere, but if I do, it won't be on anything made by Boeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6XJDs40pk&list=LL&index=13

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Dec 9, 2022 11:23:11   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
You mean, like, just about everything?

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Dec 10, 2022 05:32:08   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm not planning to fly anywhere, but if I do, it won't be on anything made by Boeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6XJDs40pk&list=LL&index=13


Looks like you are going to be a homebody

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Dec 10, 2022 06:39:45   #
Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa
 
My grandson is a pilot with the European company, TUI. They bought original versions of the 737 Max plane and his update briefing via Boeing amounted to two sheets of information.
They never did fly the original version and after Boeing’s modification, the two sheets of paper became two full days of update training.

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Dec 10, 2022 07:10:43   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
Looks like you are going to be a homebody


Yes, since the beginning of 2021. I'll have somewhere to go, and I'll think, "Why don't I just stay home?" It's a great system, and it always works. I'll be going out to groups five days in a row now, though. Scary!

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Dec 10, 2022 07:11:47   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Canonuser wrote:
My grandson is a pilot with the European company, TUI. They bought original versions of the 737 Max plane and his update briefing via Boeing amounted to two sheets of information.
They never did fly the original version and after Boeing’s modification, the two sheets of paper became two full days of update training.


Two sheets is plenty. Why confuse the pilots with all those details?

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Dec 10, 2022 07:38:18   #
Saycheeze Loc: Ct
 
If you remember this is the 2nd crash issue with the 737. The vertical stabilizer would suddenly do a ‘hard over’ and put the plane into a dive. It took a long time to figure this one out after crashes in Colorado Springs and either Pittsburg or Philly. Ever since then I would never get on a 737.

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Dec 10, 2022 07:41:37   #
Xanadu Loc: Clay County FL
 
I suspect the Boeing 737 Max might be one of the safest aircraft in the sky after all of the well-deserved scrutiny it has received.

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Dec 10, 2022 08:11:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Xanadu wrote:
I suspect the Boeing 737 Max might be one of the safest aircraft in the sky after all of the well-deserved scrutiny it has received.


Scrutiny means they will find problems. Boeing doesn't seem to like correcting problems - like the faulty cargo hatch locks. They blamed the first incident on airline workers. Then several people were killed after a second incident. As you might have noticed, businesses say that problems don't exist. It's always someone else's fault. Years later, when forced to, they grudgingly correct the problem. You might have also noticed that no one who made the decisions that got people killed suffers any penalties. They might be paid several million dollars as a severance bonus, but there are no criminal charges for killing people.

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Dec 10, 2022 08:44:04   #
Red6
 
Sorry folks, but if you really want to be safe, stay home, have all your food delivered, and never, ever go anywhere by car.

Seriously, airline travel in the US is still the safest method of travel and far safer than auto travel. Approximately 3000 people are killed in auto accidents each MONTH! That is around 40,000 killed in a year.

That does not count the others that are seriously injured or crippled for life. An airline crash makes the big headlines and scares everyone while a car crash killing an entire family barely makes the local news.

But think about those numbers the next time you are on the freeway at 70 mph in heavy traffic and you notice the driver in the car next to you with their head down texting on their phone.

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Dec 10, 2022 08:51:49   #
Red6
 
Xanadu wrote:
I suspect the Boeing 737 Max might be one of the safest aircraft in the sky after all of the well-deserved scrutiny it has received.


The 737 Max did have some issues that Boeing and the FAA either overlooked or missed. However, the 737 Max had been flying here in the US with no issues. Both crashes were in foreign airlines where training could have been an issue.

Today's modern airliners are highly automated. There are discussions in the industry today addressing the issue if there is too much automation. A good pilot always stays ahead of the automation and knows and understands what the computer is doing. But as the complexity increases, this becomes a more difficult task for the pilots.

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Dec 10, 2022 10:20:47   #
BebuLamar
 
Saycheeze wrote:
If you remember this is the 2nd crash issue with the 737. The vertical stabilizer would suddenly do a ‘hard over’ and put the plane into a dive. It took a long time to figure this one out after crashes in Colorado Springs and either Pittsburg or Philly. Ever since then I would never get on a 737.


Rudder Hardover. The stabilizer doesn't move. The moving part on the stabilizer is the rudder.

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Dec 10, 2022 11:52:02   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
Accident + Ignorance = Hysteria

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Dec 10, 2022 11:55:27   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm not planning to fly anywhere, but if I do, it won't be on anything made by Boeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6XJDs40pk&list=LL&index=13


Well Jerry it looks like you might be going by car or train. United and American Airlines fly both Boeing and Airbus, Southwest flies all Boeing 737's, I don't know what Delta flies. Then you have all the cheap carriers that could be flying anything.

Depending on your destination will determine whether you will be flying a Boeing or an Airbus, but keep in mind that the carrier can switch out the aircraft from what was originally scheduled for the route, it could be because of a maintenance issue or because they need to reposition the aircraft to your destination.

You do have the right to give up your seat because of the fleet type, which means I have a better chance of getting on.

I fly standby and I start with the first flight of the day. There have been days where I have spent 24 hours in the airport trying to get a flight to my destination. Standbys are not gauranteed a seat and we are the last to board. It irks me to no end when I walk by a passenger in first class and I hear him mumble about getting to the airport on time. What that passenger doesn't realize is I may have been setting there since the airport opened and not been able to get on the first two or three flights because there were no empty seats. I can't say anything because I could lose my flight privileges

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Dec 10, 2022 11:57:51   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
Saycheeze wrote:
If you remember this is the 2nd crash issue with the 737. The vertical stabilizer would suddenly do a ‘hard over’ and put the plane into a dive. It took a long time to figure this one out after crashes in Colorado Springs and either Pittsburg or Philly. Ever since then I would never get on a 737.


Ah, an armchair aviation expert speaks out! With a comment showing fundamental ignorance of the topic. A vertical stabilizer is to control left or right movement. It has nothing to do with putting the plane into a dive. Vertical control of an aircraft is actually performed by the elevator portion of the horizontal stabilizer.

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