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Dec 8, 2022 16:16:24   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
It makes sense to put the best in the kitchen and other high frequency, or high drain, or critical electronics use areas. It also makes sense to take the time to wire them correctly, using the screw terminals. I re-wired our kitchen during lockdown, after my wife re-painted it. All the counter-accessible outlets are safety outlets now, and GFCI protected with new GFCIs. The house was built in '99.

In most places, it is illegal to sell electrical components that don't meet code... I checked my three spare Eaton receptacles that cost less than $.90 each. All are UL approved and have a couple other countries' regulatory approval stamps as well. Interestingly, they are 15-Amp rated, but if and only if you connect them via screw terminals, they may be used in 20-Amp circuits where the local code permits. For back-stab wiring, which I never do, they are for 14 gauge wire and 15-Amp circuits only. These are still better than the contractor installed in our house originally!

I use these only as replacements in places where they will see little use, like bedrooms, dining room, pantry (vacuum charger outlet) and front hall closet (alarm)... All the dedicated outlets for high drain/high starting current devices and electronics are higher spec. The office outlets are the best I could find, as are those in halls, laundry, baths, garage, shop. We have replaced nearly all incandescent and CFL lighting with LEDs. So in most rooms, the load for outlets with lamps and clock radios and such is under 100 Watts about 99.5% of the time. Kitchen, dining room, breakfast nook, and master bath (fixed lighting circuits) used to take 360 to 540 Watts each, and with LEDs it's more like 55 to 85 Watts each. So those switches and sockets should last a LONG time.

A couple months ago, I went around and checked for zombie current drain devices such as instant-on TVs, wall warts for phones and hard drives, etc. I counted 66 of them. Reducing that count is on my to do list...
It makes sense to put the best in the kitchen and ... (show quote)


As I said the cheap one is not going to kill you but I always pick the better one.

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Dec 8, 2022 16:17:41   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
As I said the cheap one is not going to kill you but I always pick the better one.


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Dec 9, 2022 05:32:29   #
llamb Loc: Northeast Ohio
 
With the newer LED lamps in the sockets there is less current and then the cheap ones should suffice.

~Lee

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Dec 9, 2022 06:32:09   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
You can buy high quality switch and UL approved but it's still made in China. It's very difficult to find a light switch not made in China. For example the Hubbell HBL1222i switch is good and quite expensive yet it's made in China.


This is a double problem because China has most of the high-tech equipment - and experienced people - needed to make high-tech things. I watched a video about a company in this country that sells model trains. After doing the designing here, they traveled to China to discuss production. I doubt that you'd find similar facilities in this country. They had all sorts of modern, high-tech equipment needed to make these models. If you bought an iPhone in the past few years, it was made in China, and that goes for any of the other high quality products that Apple sells.

The Chinese can turn out cheap junk, but they can also turn out products with world-class quality, something we can no longer do in this country. But, on the plus side, CEO salaries are up!

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Dec 9, 2022 06:46:16   #
BebuLamar
 
jerryc41 wrote:
This is a double problem because China has most of the high-tech equipment - and experienced people - needed to make high-tech things. I watched a video about a company in this country that sells model trains. After doing the designing here, they traveled to China to discuss production. I doubt that you'd find similar facilities in this country. They had all sorts of modern, high-tech equipment needed to make these models. If you bought an iPhone in the past few years, it was made in China, and that goes for any of the other high quality products that Apple sells.

The Chinese can turn out cheap junk, but they can also turn out products with world-class quality, something we can no longer do in this country. But, on the plus side, CEO salaries are up!
This is a double problem because China has most of... (show quote)


So please stop using the word Chinese on bad products because Chinese makes all products good and bad.

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Dec 9, 2022 07:15:55   #
edwdickinson Loc: Ardmore PA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
After fifty-nine years, the three-way light switch in the dining room is getting iffy. Getting one from Amazon would take too long, so I looked at what Lowe's has to offer. Eaton - $2.52 or $5.46 "For heavy-duty use areas." I wonder how many people decide to save money on a switch that transfers 110 volts within their wall. It would be like saving money on a parachute or a fire extinguisher. I never try to save money on things that could cause my death.

I emptied the dining room hutch, which was loaded with all sorts of stuff I don't need. Now that it's empty, I can slide it out from the wall and get access to that switch. As it is now, there is almost enough room to remove the switch.

Trivia question: Why do light switches snap when you turn them on and off, instead of moving smoothly?
After fifty-nine years, the three-way light switch... (show quote)


Have you considered motion detector switches?

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Dec 9, 2022 07:22:45   #
BebuLamar
 
edwdickinson wrote:
Have you considered motion detector switches?


I wouldn't want that in any room in my house. I have it in my office and I have to wave my hands once in a while to keep the light on. I don't not think the $1 switch will kill anyone and it would last years but even if I replace all my switches with a $25 ones it won't be too much money for me as light switches last a long long time.

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Dec 9, 2022 07:39:39   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
edwdickinson wrote:
Have you considered motion detector switches?


Considered and rejected. I don't want lights turning on as I pass through a room.

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Dec 9, 2022 07:40:48   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I wouldn't want that in any room in my house. I have it in my office and I have to wave my hands once in a while to keep the light on. I don't not think the $1 switch will kill anyone and it would last years but even if I replace all my switches with a $25 ones it won't be too much money for me as light switches last a long long time.


I've seen videos on YouTube suggesting you buy commercial grade electric fixtures rather than the cheap standard kind.

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Dec 9, 2022 08:10:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Easy... Do you want/need well built or cheaply built...

Pick one.

A light switch that only does a light, used once a day or less, will be fine with the cheap switch.
High usage or for outlets I'll go well built.

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Dec 9, 2022 08:33:05   #
SparkyNYC Loc: NYC & Coconut Creek,Fl
 
Just remember which wire went on the "identified " screw on the three way switch.
That will either be the feed or the switch-leg.

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Dec 9, 2022 08:42:37   #
rustfarmer
 
I have solved several strange lighting problems by replacing cheap switches with better quality ones. One example is a ceiling LED light bar which "glowed " in the dark when switched off. New commercial grade switch fixed this.

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Dec 9, 2022 08:44:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rustfarmer wrote:
One example is a ceiling LED light bar which "glowed " in the dark when switched off.


That's scary. When I was a kid, the TV screen would glow and flash a bit at night. That was unsettling. The exorcism solved that problem.

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Dec 9, 2022 08:47:57   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
SparkyNYC wrote:
Just remember which wire went on the "identified " screw on the three way switch.
That will either be the feed or the switch-leg.

Definitely.
You do NOT want to mix them up.

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Dec 9, 2022 10:04:06   #
SparkyNYC Loc: NYC & Coconut Creek,Fl
 
If you do mix them up, it will not work properly
It gets frustrating to straighten out, especially with older, faded conductors.

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