Olympus/OM cameras with Pro Capture:
OM SYSTEM OM-1
OM-D E-M1X
OM-D E-M1 Mark III
OM-D E-M1 Mark II
OM-D E-M5 Mark III
Tough TG-6
Canon with Pre-Shooting and RAW-Burst modes:
EOS M6 Mark II
EOS R7
EOS R6 Mark II
there may be others I'm unaware of
Panasonic/Lumix cameras with Pre-Burst:
All models with 4K and better video capabilities.
Fujifilm cameras with Pre-Shot:
X-S10
X-T3
X-T30
X-T30 II
X-T4
X-H2S
X- E4
there may be others I'm unaware of.
Nikon with Pre-Release Burst mode:
Z9 (firmware version 2.0 or higher)
there may be other Nikon models with it, but this is the only one I'm aware of
AFAIK, only Sony and Leica don't have this feature in any of their mirrorless. (Sony appears to have it in some point-n-shoot models.)
In all cases this mode is only available when using the electronic shutter. It is not possible if using a mechanical shutter.
The number of pre-shot images recorded differs depending upon the frame rate.
Some cameras appear to simply extract images from a short, continuous loop of 4K (or higher) video recording.
Some cameras only record JPEGs in this mode.
Some cameras crop the image in this mode.
Some cameras do not have continuous autofocus when using this mode at the maximum frame rate.
Canon "bundles" all the pre-shot images into a single file, which at present can only be "unpacked" with Canon Digital Photo Pro software. Once the image files have been unpacked, they can then be handled through any software able to work with Canon CR3 files.
The down side to using this feature is that you'll end up with a lot more images to look through and cull. One birder commented he came home from a few days of shooting with 30,000+ images! And a lot of them were of a bird sitting on a branch, when the bird didn't take off like he'd expected. When that happens you can get 30, 40 or more images that all look identical! Such is the hazard of really high frame rates PLUS large number of pre-shot images.
amfoto1 wrote:
Olympus/OM cameras with Pro Capture:
OM SYSTEM OM-1
OM-D E-M1X
OM-D E-M1 Mark III
OM-D E-M1 Mark II
OM-D E-M5 Mark III
Tough TG-6
Canon with Pre-Shooting and RAW-Burst modes:
EOS M6 Mark II
EOS R7
EOS R6 Mark II
there may be others I'm unaware of
Panasonic/Lumix cameras with Pre-Burst:
All models with 4K and better video capabilities.
Fujifilm cameras with Pre-Shot:
X-S10
X-T3
X-T30
X-T30 II
X-T4
X-H2S
X- E4
there may be others I'm unaware of.
Nikon with Pre-Release Burst mode:
Z9 (firmware version 2.0 or higher)
there may be other Nikon models with it, but this is the only one I'm aware of
AFAIK, only Sony and Leica don't have this feature in any of their mirrorless. (Sony appears to have it in some point-n-shoot models.)
In all cases this mode is only available when using the electronic shutter. It is not possible if using a mechanical shutter.
The number of pre-shot images recorded differs depending upon the frame rate.
Some cameras appear to simply extract images from a short, continuous loop of 4K (or higher) video recording.
Some cameras only record JPEGs in this mode.
Some cameras crop the image in this mode.
Some cameras do not have continuous autofocus when using this mode at the maximum frame rate.
Canon "bundles" all the pre-shot images into a single file, which at present can only be "unpacked" with Canon Digital Photo Pro software. Once the image files have been unpacked, they can then be handled through any software able to work with Canon CR3 files.
The down side to using this feature is that you'll end up with a lot more images to look through and cull. One birder commented he came home from a few days of shooting with 30,000+ images! And a lot of them were of a bird sitting on a branch, when the bird didn't take off like he'd expected. When that happens you can get 30, 40 or more images that all look identical! Such is the hazard of really high frame rates PLUS large number of pre-shot images.
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Youre birder buddy clearly doesnt get it !
You only shoot when your bird actually takes off. The purpose of preburst is that it also gets you the bird just before take off. Seems like your buddy still shoots as if he doesnt have preburst.
Just imagine transferring your buddys problem to someone whos out shooting for lightning. Its ridiculous.
Whatz really worthy of complaint is the systems that require maintaining a half press to keep the buffer boiling. THAT gets pretty tedious for actions without warning signs, again think of lightning. With birds at least they give you hints about when to wake up the buffer.
Boris77 wrote:
Still one step away from finished programming where AI picks out the best shot and discards the rest to save the trouble of looking thru all those rejects.
Of course putting video in a stills camera was a lot bigger waste of design space.
Only real digital improvement of late was getting rid of the mirror.
Boris
Explain to us how putting video in a stills camera was a waste of design space.
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Explain to us how putting video in a stills camera was a waste of design space.
The deal with TNT is that he never hesitates to ask for the impossible !
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Explain to us how putting video in a stills camera was a waste of design space.
That's (unfortunate) history. Stills should have been incorporated into video cameras, rather than the still camera being compromised to handle a function it was never built for. It could have been more efficient for both. But advertising drives sales, and new features are like candy.
Professionals are professional and learn to use the tools available; they make it all work. The rest of us get junk we do not want.
Boris
Boris77 wrote:
That's (unfortunate) history. Stills should have been incorporated into video cameras, rather than the still camera being compromised to handle a function it was never built for. It could have been more efficient for both. But advertising drives sales, and new features are like candy.
Professionals are professional and learn to use the tools available; they make it all work. The rest of us get junk we do not want.
Boris
If you eliminate the porn, the main mass of the web would consist of complaints.
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bikerguy wrote:
As an Olympus user I can tell you Pro Capture can be a big deal. If you shoot birds or other wildlife or any sporting event it is terrific. When waiting for a bird to launch without Pro Capture you can hope to catch the decisive moment of launch or you can fill your buffer and card with static pictures of the bird on a branch. With Pro Capture when you half press the shutter button the camera starts taking pictures but is not saving them to the sd card. Depending upon your settings the camera will continuously take up to 50 pictures with the shutter button pressed halfway. When the 51st picture is taken the first is deleted so that yo have the latest 50 shots. When the bird launches yo press the shutter button fully and all of the latest pictures before the full press plus the pictures taken after are written to the sd card. If you simply release the half pressed shutter button all of the "saved" pictures are deleted.
The result is that you have less static pictures to review and you catch the decisive moment that you want. Olympus has had this feature for many years, I am surprised how long it took any other camera company to replicate it. I have no idea why the "big three" have not incorporated this into their line up.
To me it is simply one of the many handy features that are found on Olympus/OMDS cameras and not many others.
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I believe panasthas that on their G9
davyboy wrote:
I believe panasthas that on their G9
You can believe whatever you believe.
But in the real world its actually there.
On the No Free Lunch score its only a Generation One implementation of it, meaning a 10% loss of MP, aka "6K", compared to the normal 20MP count.
Despite any loss its an absolute blast working at 60fps in scary total silence. Just a gentle short poke at the button equals three rolls of film. I had an EOS RS that ran a slothful 4sec per one roll. This thing books, priced at about 1/4 what the RS costed, and is waaaaaay cheaper to feed (like almost free!)
Today, you can buy an RS for less than ten cents on the dollar. But, feeding it costs more than the camera. Figured conservatively, a dollar a poke at the shutter button.
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Boris77 wrote:
Still one step away from finished programming where AI picks out the best shot and discards the rest to save the trouble of looking thru all those rejects.
Of course putting video in a stills camera was a lot bigger waste of design space.
Only real digital improvement of late was getting rid of the mirror.
Boris
Putting video in a stills camera was absolute genius for those of us who need both stills and video and absolutely hated the camcorder form factor. I'm very happy to have a video camera that works like a stills camera and also takes stills!
There are dozens and dozens of little features in these new cameras that you don't notice or understand until you own and use one for a while. They open up lots of possibilities that are not present in typical dSLRs.
Doesn’t the Apple phones Live thing do this? Seem like every time I try to take a picture the damn thing does something other than what I want!
billnikon wrote:
Olympus calls it Pro Capture, Fuji calls it Pre-Shot ES.
What they both claim is that many photographers, when they want to capture a really fast action shot, by the time you fully push the shutter, you missed the shot.
Olympus and Fuji claim they solved this issue with pro capture and pre-shot, but does it really work, and how exactly does it work?
I have used Canon, Sony and Nikon and they have nothing like this, does it make a big difference and should the big three adapt this? And could it be done by a firmware update?
How about you boys that own these camera's, lets hear from you on the inter workings of this.
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Much more effective is putting electrodes on one’s scalp attached to a shutter release. As soon as one thinks about taking the picture it happens, eliminating mechanical lag. I believe Apple is already working on this.
I would really appreciate this feature when shooting youth hockey. I end up with either hundreds and hundreds of photos or I get gots of the puck in the net, but not the kid while he’s taking the shot.
Canon, if you’re reading this, I would LOVE this as a firmware upgrade to my R6!
Boris77 wrote:
That's (unfortunate) history. Stills should have been incorporated into video cameras, rather than the still camera being compromised to handle a function it was never built for. It could have been more efficient for both. But advertising drives sales, and new features are like candy.
Professionals are professional and learn to use the tools available; they make it all work. The rest of us get junk we do not want.
Boris
Again, you didn’t explain exactly how still cameras have been “compromised” by adding video. I’m also now curious as to how adding stills to video cameras, (which most of them can already do), would “have been more efficient for both”.
"Pre-shot" reminds me of woodworkers who pre-drill holes. That means they drill the holes before they drill the holes, right??? 😳
jerryc41 wrote:
"Pre-shot" reminds me of woodworkers who pre-drill holes. That means they drill the holes before they drill the holes, right??? 😳
I suppose they pre check their bullets.🤷🏼♂️
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