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Nov 19, 2022 13:18:34   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Windows users can use IrfanView. When saving an image, the savings dialog allows you to specify a particular file size OR a quality setting (controls the degree of jpg compression).

A setting of 96 or 97 is probably much more quality than is absolutely necessary, but will work to decrease the file size slightly. Decreasing pixel count (image dimensions) is recommended by some people but not by me. Fewer pixels WILL result in a smaller file size but the decrease in image quality is probably greater when decreasing pixel count than it would be by increasing jpg compression (my opinion here -- have not studied this [yet]). It really depends on the end use of the image. If it's just going on the web, use Paul's recommendation since most monitors are limited in pixel count. If the image is going to be used in an application where resolution is important, the full size image will be better.

A couple years ago I studied the degradation of jpg images with multiple re-compressions, and in the process measured the RMS change in an image from an original tif to a jpg as a function of quality setting. The abstract is at https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/user-page?upnum=3000 and that page contains a link to the full study (14 pages). I did not see any noticeable degradation of images with quality settings of 70 or more. Of course, some people are more picky than I, and some images will probably have larger changes than others, so this is a subjective determination.

All the programs I used to write jpgs had a quality setting range of 1-100 except Photoshop, which has a quality range of 0-12. It appears to me that the comparison between Photoshop and the other programs is not linear, but I have not tried to measure it. My estimate is that the Photoshop quality setting of 0 appears to be equivalent to something in the 30-50 range of the other programs.
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IrfanView is a GREAT Photo Editing AND File Conversion Program. It has solved many problems for me!

Another Choice is moderate cropping, which will also reduce file size at no expense in resolution.

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Nov 19, 2022 14:31:04   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Dragonophile wrote:
Some (not all) people are losing sight of my questions. I can downsize now by jpeg compression or pixels in my current program. I was asking if one method is better than other in terms of IQ or if they were about the same. Secondly, when I downsize by jpeg percent, I never know the final file size until I do the save. So I was wondering if there was a program that saved by file size. Again, I keep all original images and only downsize copies under 12mb for uploading to this website.


IMO, your first choice should be pixel reduction ( using "bi-cubic sharper" in 50% or smaller reduction increments) to get you close to your target size and then JPEG compression to fine tune to the final size.

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Nov 19, 2022 15:13:28   #
rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS
 
Try Faststone Image Resizer

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Nov 19, 2022 16:46:23   #
Boris77
 
Dragonophile wrote:
I submit pictures to a website that limits pictures to 12 mb size or less. The files I get are often 14-18mb in size so I need to reduce them. Since all my pictures are jpeg, I usually reduce them by setting my jpeg compression to 97 or 96 in my editing software. There is also a resize option where I choose pixel size reduction. I don't know if these two options work similarly or differently. What would be the best method to reduce pictures size from 14-18 mb to under 12 mb? [I use an old version of a semi-obscure editing program called Zoner Photo Studio but this question would apply to Adobe Elements too, I think.]

Are there any programs that allow you to save by file size, so I could just pick 11mb or 10 mb for example? When I save by my current method of changing jpeg compression, I really don't know the resultiing file size until after I do the save. If I am just missing something obvious, please gently let me know.
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Since file reduction is a math thing on the computer, it could be done by file size, BUT I have not heard of it.
Despite this submission rule, it is not a very useful feature. Picture size could vary quite a bit.
I would go totally by size reduction and maximize the quality setting. Going thru a few folders of pictures should set you up with solid expectations.
If you are willing to settle for a 10mb aim point I would expect all of your pictures to be acceptable. A little observation and remembering the results make repeat operations a snap.
10mb is overkill for viewing, and makes a good small print.
Boris

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Nov 19, 2022 17:17:35   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Boris77 wrote:
Since file reduction is a math thing on the computer, it could be done by file size, BUT I have not heard of it.
Despite this submission rule, it is not a very useful feature. Picture size could vary quite a bit.
I would go totally by size reduction and maximize the quality setting. Going thru a few folders of pictures should set you up with solid expectations.
If you are willing to settle for a 10mb aim point I would expect all of your pictures to be acceptable. A little observation and remembering the results make repeat operations a snap.
10mb is overkill for viewing, and makes a good small print.
Boris
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Most images I post here on UHH are 1MB ......

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Nov 19, 2022 17:28:02   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Boris77 wrote:
Since file reduction is a math thing on the computer, it could be done by file size, BUT I have not heard of it.
Despite this submission rule, it is not a very useful feature. Picture size could vary quite a bit.
I would go totally by size reduction and maximize the quality setting. Going thru a few folders of pictures should set you up with solid expectations.
If you are willing to settle for a 10mb aim point I would expect all of your pictures to be acceptable. A little observation and remembering the results make repeat operations a snap.
10mb is overkill for viewing, and makes a good small print.
Boris
Since file reduction is a math thing on the comput... (show quote)


As discussed and shown in the linked post earlier, resizing your image to 2048px on the long side will give you an image around 2.4MB at 100% JPEG quality. Drop the JPEG quality to 90% and you can cut the image file size in half, 1.2MB. There is no visual impact to the display of the lower quality image at this reduced and screen-filling pixel resolution.

The issue is pixel resolution, not file size in bytes, although the file size reduction follows the pixel resolution reduction.



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Nov 20, 2022 20:49:28   #
frangeo Loc: Texas
 
A reduced size of my camera chip is 800 X 600. So I reduce all images to that size but keep them at 300mb. That how I download all my images to web sites. Of course, verticals are 600 X 800 @ 300mb. When opened they are sharp to view.

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