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Oct 28, 2022 22:04:51   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Just like the way years ago you could refill an empty printer ink cartridge and it would work, but then it got where you could refill it but it would never work again after that. Manufacturers insuring you buy their high dollar supplies.


Printer in can be used aftermarket if you use a company that specializes in aftermarket ink and not just a supposed knock off. Precision Colors comes to mind. They even have a chip resetter for the oem cartridge after you refill it. Also supply ICC profiles for their ink and common papers. If you just buy the cheapest stuff available you are in for trouble.

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Oct 28, 2022 22:40:26   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Longshadow wrote:
It's a CYA for them. They don't know who will use dollar-two-ninety-eight batteries. All bets on operating per spec are off, they spec with using their batteries.


You're right, they don't know who is going to use what batteries. That is why Canon, and no doubt the other manufacturers, will license, probably for a per battery fee, the firmware necessary for their batteries to work with the cameras. Provided the batteries meet Canon's standards and the battery manufacturer is willing to pay the fee. Counterfeiters and cheapos won't pay the fee or even meet the standards. Those are the batteries that are going to have issues. Buy a Wasabi, a Watson, or any of a dozen other good quality 3rd party batteries and they will work. Certification and licensing are common. Companies pay close attention to that because in many cases it cuts down on warranty payouts.

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Oct 28, 2022 22:47:13   #
whitehall Loc: Canada
 
I have had a variety of Canon EOS Cameras, currently a 7D mkii, 5D Mkiv and R5. I used both current and previous iteration Canon batteries as well as third party batteries. Third party batteries, do not last as long, but Inhave never been cross examined by the any of the cameras. Odd

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Oct 28, 2022 23:07:47   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
I had the same warning message appear when using “BM” batteries in my R5. I put them on a shelf and didn’t use them for a few months. One day I decided to try them again and so far everything seems to work fine. However in looking at the specs on the BM batteries and and “Powerextra” off-brands, I notice a voltage variance. Canon LP-E6NH batteries show 7.2 volts. The off-brand batteries show 7.4 volts. The .2 volt difference could possibly cause issues, but I’m still using them without any more warnings or problems.
I had the same warning message appear when using “... (show quote)


Most solid state components used in computers and other electronic consumer devices run at either 3 or 5 volts. On a home computer, regulator rectifiers convert 120V AC into 5V DC.

A 5 volt operating system may have 7+ volt batteries. This is because a fully charged battery may produce 7V, but when it is nearly discharged it may produce barely 5 volts. If a 5V battery was used, a slightly discharged battery would shut down the whole works.

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Oct 29, 2022 01:09:46   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
Longshadow wrote:
Translation? : We don't want you using any batteries but ours.???
Same with printer ink?



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Oct 29, 2022 01:45:02   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
MtManMD wrote:
Like many, I've resisted buying spare OEM-branded camera batteries due to their cost compared to 3rd party batteries. I've used 3rd party batteries interchanging them with OEM batteries for years.

During a recent trip to the Tetons my Canon R5 was shooting fine during the day, however when I went to download images in the evening the camera wouldn't turn on. Popped the battery out and charged it about 20-minutes then put it back in. Camera turned on and displayed a message asking if this was a Canon branded battery. Either a Y or N response (with either Canon or non-Canon batteries) resulted in a display of "Battery may be counterfeit, shutting down to protect you". After returning home and preparing to call Canon support, the camera came on and appeared to be working, but then I quickly noticed many of the buttons were not working.

Shipped it to Canon repair (ouch the cost of insuring it with UPS!) and a $496 repair bill later the camera is now working fine again. All 3rd party batteries have been disposed of, and a new $79 Canon battery on order (out of stock and back ordered of course). Fortunately, I now have the R5 and R7 bodies that use the same batteries.

Lesson learned the hard way.
Like many, I've resisted buying spare OEM-branded ... (show quote)


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WHAT A HORROR STORY! i would never buy such a camera body brand if it ever pulled that on me. I have all the major brands represented in my group of digital cameras and have never heard of such a thing. i USE ONLY KASTAR batteries and they hold up as well or better than the OEM batteries. I just bought four more batteries for one of my Sony cameras and they arrived today. The OEM for that camera was rated at 1500mA and the Kastar replacement batter of the same type---2500mA. And that makes quite a difference in the shooting. I keep six batteries for each of my main cameras which are six different bodies in three OEM brands--Sigma, Sony, and Olympus. Not counting the PandSoots in two more brands. It is hard to believe a major company could be so devious. So--do they also demand you buy their memory cards?-----ew

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Oct 29, 2022 01:52:49   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
BebuLamar wrote:
and if the OP camera broke because of the third party battery it's because Canon programmed the camera to malfunction when it detected that the user is not using Canon battery.


If Canon stoops that low to cause the malfunction then Canon deserves to be SUED

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Oct 29, 2022 02:01:14   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
LFingar wrote:
Really? T3i, 70D, 6D, 5DIV, R, R5. With each of those Canons I used both Canon and 3rd party batteries, Watson and Power2000, and I always kept the firmware for each camera up to date. No comparability issues. The only battery issue I have ever had was a Canon LP-E6 that came with my new 6D. Right out of the box new and it wouldn't take a charge. B&H replaced it no questions asked. My R5 uses 3rd party batteries with no problem.


I had the same thing happen with a LP-E17 brand new from Canon after charging it for the first time and then putting it back in the camera it gave me an error that it wasn't a genuine Canon Battery. Now all I use is Kastar and have never had a issue with them. Been using them going on 5 years now.

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Oct 29, 2022 02:07:53   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
dwmoar wrote:
If Canon stoops that low to cause the malfunction then Canon deserves to be SUED


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I agree---four stars!

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Oct 29, 2022 02:14:39   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
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WHAT A HORROR STORY! i would never buy such a camera body brand if it ever pulled that on me. I have all the major brands represented in my group of digital cameras and have never heard of such a thing. i USE ONLY KASTAR batteries and they hold up as well or better than the OEM batteries. I just bought four more batteries for one of my Sony cameras and they arrived today. The OEM for that camera was rated at 1500mA and the Kastar replacement batter of the same type---2500mA. And that makes quite a difference in the shooting. I keep six batteries for each of my main cameras which are six different bodies in three OEM brands--Sigma, Sony, and Olympus. Not counting the PandSoots in two more brands. It is hard to believe a major company could be so devious. So--do they also demand you buy their memory cards?-----ew
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Don't give them anymore ideas............

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Oct 29, 2022 07:53:19   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
MtManMD wrote:
Like many, I've resisted buying spare OEM-branded camera batteries due to their cost compared to 3rd party batteries. I've used 3rd party batteries interchanging them with OEM batteries for years.

During a recent trip to the Tetons my Canon R5 was shooting fine during the day, however when I went to download images in the evening the camera wouldn't turn on. Popped the battery out and charged it about 20-minutes then put it back in. Camera turned on and displayed a message asking if this was a Canon branded battery. Either a Y or N response (with either Canon or non-Canon batteries) resulted in a display of "Battery may be counterfeit, shutting down to protect you". After returning home and preparing to call Canon support, the camera came on and appeared to be working, but then I quickly noticed many of the buttons were not working.

Shipped it to Canon repair (ouch the cost of insuring it with UPS!) and a $496 repair bill later the camera is now working fine again. All 3rd party batteries have been disposed of, and a new $79 Canon battery on order (out of stock and back ordered of course). Fortunately, I now have the R5 and R7 bodies that use the same batteries.

Lesson learned the hard way.
Like many, I've resisted buying spare OEM-branded ... (show quote)



You didn't tell us what Canon told you what the actual glitch was? Did they say it was in fact the battery or another malfunction of the camera? I'd be curious as to what Canon identified as the actual problem. I've been using OEM and Wasabi batteries for years now, never had a glitch or a problem other than about 1-2% loss in longevity with the Wasabi.

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Oct 29, 2022 08:09:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
LFingar wrote:
You're right, they don't know who is going to use what batteries. That is why Canon, and no doubt the other manufacturers, will license, probably for a per battery fee, the firmware necessary for their batteries to work with the cameras. Provided the batteries meet Canon's standards and the battery manufacturer is willing to pay the fee. Counterfeiters and cheapos won't pay the fee or even meet the standards. Those are the batteries that are going to have issues. Buy a Wasabi, a Watson, or any of a dozen other good quality 3rd party batteries and they will work. Certification and licensing are common. Companies pay close attention to that because in many cases it cuts down on warranty payouts.
You're right, they don't know who is going to use ... (show quote)


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Oct 29, 2022 10:45:16   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Klickitatdave wrote:
Exactly! What comes next, subscriptions to camera features like BMW is trying with heated seats? Would you be willing to pay $5.00 per month for autofocus? You might believe that this will never happen and maybe it won't. However, that is the trend.


BMW is selling heated seat subscriptions? My car (SUV), not a BMW, has heated and chilled seats, along with heated mirrors, heated steering wheel and zoned climate control. I wonder how much extra a month BMW would charge for that? I don't see charging an extra monthly fee to unlock options on a vehicle being a sustainable plan. Most consumers will just buy something else that doesn't fee you to death.

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Oct 29, 2022 11:00:40   #
Walt B
 
I've used PowerExtra batteries on Canon R5 as well as the OEM batteries and I can't tell the difference. I've had the R5 since it came out.

Walt B

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Oct 29, 2022 15:13:16   #
BebuLamar
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
BMW is selling heated seat subscriptions? My car (SUV), not a BMW, has heated and chilled seats, along with heated mirrors, heated steering wheel and zoned climate control. I wonder how much extra a month BMW would charge for that? I don't see charging an extra monthly fee to unlock options on a vehicle being a sustainable plan. Most consumers will just buy something else that doesn't fee you to death.


I don't know they might as many are happy with Adobe subscription plan.

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