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Oct 28, 2022 09:01:56   #
Tomfl101 Loc: Mount Airy, MD
 
I had the same warning message appear when using “BM” batteries in my R5. I put them on a shelf and didn’t use them for a few months. One day I decided to try them again and so far everything seems to work fine. However in looking at the specs on the BM batteries and and “Powerextra” off-brands, I notice a voltage variance. Canon LP-E6NH batteries show 7.2 volts. The off-brand batteries show 7.4 volts. The .2 volt difference could possibly cause issues, but I’m still using them without any more warnings or problems.

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Oct 28, 2022 09:04:42   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Hopefully the battery power goes into a voltage regulator circuit where the extra .2V would not be a problem.
(The camera may actually run on 6V.)

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Oct 28, 2022 09:20:19   #
BebuLamar
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
I had the same warning message appear when using “BM” batteries in my R5. I put them on a shelf and didn’t use them for a few months. One day I decided to try them again and so far everything seems to work fine. However in looking at the specs on the BM batteries and and “Powerextra” off-brands, I notice a voltage variance. Canon LP-E6NH batteries show 7.2 volts. The off-brand batteries show 7.4 volts. The .2 volt difference could possibly cause issues, but I’m still using them without any more warnings or problems.
I had the same warning message appear when using “... (show quote)


the .2 volt isn't a problem besides if you measure the voltage they may not be what they said.

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Oct 28, 2022 09:28:06   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
MtManMD wrote:
Like many, I've resisted buying spare OEM-branded camera batteries due to their cost compared to 3rd party batteries. I've used 3rd party batteries interchanging them with OEM batteries for years.

During a recent trip to the Tetons my Canon R5 was shooting fine during the day, however when I went to download images in the evening the camera wouldn't turn on. Popped the battery out and charged it about 20-minutes then put it back in. Camera turned on and displayed a message asking if this was a Canon branded battery. Either a Y or N response (with either Canon or non-Canon batteries) resulted in a display of "Battery may be counterfeit, shutting down to protect you". After returning home and preparing to call Canon support, the camera came on and appeared to be working, but then I quickly noticed many of the buttons were not working.

Shipped it to Canon repair (ouch the cost of insuring it with UPS!) and a $496 repair bill later the camera is now working fine again. All 3rd party batteries have been disposed of, and a new $79 Canon battery on order (out of stock and back ordered of course). Fortunately, I now have the R5 and R7 bodies that use the same batteries.

Lesson learned the hard way.
Like many, I've resisted buying spare OEM-branded ... (show quote)


I have been using 3rd party batts in my Sony A7R series cams for years, even professionally in a series of documentaries in extreme conditions in the Arctic. Still working fine at full capacity, as good as OEM.

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Oct 28, 2022 09:32:27   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
the .2 volt isn't a problem besides if you measure the voltage they may not be what they said.

The ‘smaller’ battery - used in my small-sensored Pentax MILC - shared with Fuji and Kodak - is 3.7 volt. The ‘regular’ battery used by some K-mount cameras is 7.4 volt. Perhaps this is just a case of Canon’s being different because they can be. What is the standard Nikon battery??

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Oct 28, 2022 09:35:51   #
BebuLamar
 
rehess wrote:
The ‘smaller’ battery - used in my small-sensored Pentax MILC - shared with Fuji and Kodak - is 3.7 volt. The ‘regular’ battery used by some K-mount cameras is 7.4 volt. Perhaps this is just a case of Canon’s being different because they can be. What is the standard Nikon battery??


Most of them are 2 cells 7.2V.
3.7V is one cell.

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Oct 28, 2022 09:35:52   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rehess wrote:
The ‘smaller’ battery - used in my small-sensored Pentax MILC - shared with Fuji and Kodak - is 3.7 volt. The ‘regular’ battery used by some K-mount cameras is 7.4 volt. Perhaps this is just a case of Canon’s being different because they can be. What is the standard Nikon battery??

"Standard" can change as technology changes. It depends on what on voltage the circuitry for a particular camera uses.

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Oct 28, 2022 09:39:00   #
BebuLamar
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
I had the same warning message appear when using “BM” batteries in my R5. I put them on a shelf and didn’t use them for a few months. One day I decided to try them again and so far everything seems to work fine. However in looking at the specs on the BM batteries and and “Powerextra” off-brands, I notice a voltage variance. Canon LP-E6NH batteries show 7.2 volts. The off-brand batteries show 7.4 volts. The .2 volt difference could possibly cause issues, but I’m still using them without any more warnings or problems.
I had the same warning message appear when using “... (show quote)


A lithium ion battery cell voltage is about 4.2V when fully charged. It would drop down quickly to about 4V and then down to 3.7V for most of the remaining useful charge. So the manufacturer of a 2 cell battery pack can rate it anywhere between 7.2 to 8.4V because that's how much the voltage changes when you use it from full charged to empty.

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Oct 28, 2022 10:30:52   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
rmalarz wrote:
I only use OEM batteries. My thought is, if something were to happen to the battery and that damaged the camera, big expense. So you have noted. Why gamble?
--Bob


I couldn’t agree more. Just not worth the risk.

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Oct 28, 2022 10:56:53   #
JayRay Loc: Missouri
 
WARNING: A cheap (or expensive OEM) lithium battery case can warp if it overheats in your camera and then it can be difficult (if not impossible) to remove from your camera. I have seen this happen. If a battery does not easily slide in or out of your camera's battery compartment, stop using it! Of course, if a cheap (or expensive OEM) lithium ion battery catches fire in your camera, that is the end of the camera! That is why the FAA does not allow lithium ion batteries in the checked luggage hold of aircraft.

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Oct 28, 2022 10:57:31   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Most of them are 2 cells 7.2V.
3.7V is one cell.
BebuLamar wrote:
A lithium ion battery cell voltage is about 4.2V when fully charged. It would drop down quickly to about 4V and then down to 3.7V for most of the remaining useful charge. So the manufacturer of a 2 cell battery pack can rate it anywhere between 7.2 to 8.4V because that's how much the voltage changes when you use it from full charged to empty.

So Pentax has their voltage regulator set a tad higher than Canon and Nikon do.



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Oct 28, 2022 10:59:25   #
DanCulleton
 
I’ve used Watson batteries in my R5 and other Canon cameras with no problem.

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Oct 28, 2022 11:13:22   #
bobforman Loc: Anacortes, Washington State
 
Longshadow wrote:
Translation? : We don't want you using any batteries but ours.???
Same with printer ink?


Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me of Canon puts a chip in their batteries so they are alerted when you're using a knock-off. Much like printers. Once you do a firmware update they learn the camera is not using their equipment and shut things down. Epson printers are famous for this sort of behavior.

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Oct 28, 2022 11:15:49   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
bobforman wrote:
Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me of Canon puts a chip in their batteries so they are alerted when you're using a knock-off. Much like printers. Once you do a firmware update they learn the camera is not using their equipment and shut things down. Epson printers are famous for this sort of behavior.


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Oct 28, 2022 11:19:23   #
MDI Mainer
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Sorry to hear about your issues.

For my Sony cameras that i have owned A6500, A7RII, A7RIII, A7III, A9, and current A1, A7RIV, A7SIII I have used both RavPower and Wassabi third party batteries for years for my professional and personal use around the world, without any incidents, as well as Sony OEM batteries .

Yes the newer Sony models will display that you are not using a OEM battery, but they give you the choice to continue using it. I just say yes and go on with my shooting. Never any shutdowns or corrupted camera or memory cards.

Canon cameras may be more sensitive to non-OEM batteries.

I dont know what batteries you used but as long as they have passed the same OEM battery protocols, and have the same voltage and amperage, you should be fine, but maybe not with Canon. My guess, your third-party batteries were not delivering the correct voltage, and yes that can cause camera circuit damage.

Canon has also told all third=party lens makers to stop in releasing any RF lenses.

Here is a test of all the non-OEM batteries for Sony cameras.

ULTIMATE TEST: I BOUGHT EVERY Sony NP- FZ100 battery from AMAZON!!! - Here's the RESULTS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhuNddhABDw

Cheers and best to you.
Sorry to hear about your issues. br br For my Son... (show quote)


Too bad some of the best tested batteries seem not to be available in the US.

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