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Post processing – Using Layers
Oct 18, 2022 07:42:41 #
Well, this thread has lost any value it had and descended into arguments. Time to move on and unwatch.
Oct 18, 2022 07:53:49 #
r1ch wrote:
The OP wrote, "I make extensive use of masking and other tools such as dodge and burn, graduated filters, levels, brightness and contrast, sharpening and so on."... All the edits the OP did in their example picture can be done in a raw editor using local adjustments on the raw image with no need of layers. Simple as that.
In the PS Elements version of Adobe Camera Raw, there is no masking, no dodge and burn, no graduated filters. Re sharpening, there is a single tool, which can only be applied globally.
After employing few, many or zero edits using the simple sliders available in PSE's ACR (white balance, exposure, clarity, blacks, whites, brightness, highlights, vibrance and a few others - with no way to selectively apply), one must then open the raw file in the main editor for further work (or use a different software). In PSE's main workspace are tabs for simple, guided and expert tools and workflow.
PSE has a free trial.
All the best.
Oct 18, 2022 08:16:12 #
Ozychatie
Loc: Melbourne Australia
Hello to all and thank you for all your replies. I'm noting it all down and will be trying out your suggestions/recommendations.
I knew this was a great forum with a wealth of experienced and knowledgeable participants - thank you.
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Oct 18, 2022 08:18:31 #
Ozychatie wrote:
You are a kind and generous soul.Hello to all and thank you for all your replies. I'm noting it all down and will be trying out your suggestions/recommendations.
I knew this was a great forum with a wealth of experienced and knowledgeable participants - thank you.
I knew this was a great forum with a wealth of experienced and knowledgeable participants - thank you.
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Oct 18, 2022 08:30:46 #
Ozychatie
Loc: Melbourne Australia
r1ch
Thanks this is great stuff. I've got a bit of a learning curve but I think you've put me on the right start grid.
Thanks this is great stuff. I've got a bit of a learning curve but I think you've put me on the right start grid.
Oct 18, 2022 08:32:21 #
Oct 18, 2022 08:41:27 #
Ozychatie wrote:
CHG_CANON,
This is also invaluable advice - thank you.
This is also invaluable advice - thank you.
It's easier if you use the <quote reply> button for directed responses. Have you considered attaching your example image, as requested in one of the initial replies?
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Oct 18, 2022 09:06:43 #
Ozychatie
Loc: Melbourne Australia
CHG_CANON wrote:
It's easier if you use the <quote reply> button for directed responses. Have you considered attaching your example image, as requested in one of the initial replies?
Hi CHG_CANON, Yes I did upload an example of the original, unedited image but I'm guessing I didn't do it right if it hasn't shown up. Do I re attach it? I had to re-size it to fit as it was so there is no way the RAW file will fit.
Oct 18, 2022 09:09:04 #
Ozychatie
Loc: Melbourne Australia
Ozychatie wrote:
Hi CHG_CANON, Yes I did upload an example of the original, unedited image but I'm guessing I didn't do it right if it hasn't shown up. Do I re attach it? I had to re-size it to fit as it was so there is no way the RAW file will fit.
Whoops! Did you want the dited image as shown on page 1 or the unedited image?
Oct 18, 2022 09:12:29 #
r1ch wrote:
If someone wants to spend less time learning, they would not choose Elements over Luminar Neo which is very much easier to use. So for as much as Elements is less difficult than Photoshop, Neo is less difficult than Element.
If someone wants to spend less time learning, they would not choose Elements over Luminar Neo which is very much easier to use. So for as much as Elements is less difficult than Photoshop, Neo is less difficult than Element.
I used PS for many years and also Elements. PSE IMNSHO is much harder to use than PS. If you were intimately familiar with both, you would know this. Elements is deliberately tuned down so it doesn't work as well as PS. Try to create an action with PSE for example. Also the interface is goofy if you've already internalized PS. Linda thinks PSE is easy because she never fully learned PS.
I quit using both several years ago but I doubt anything has changed. Adobe deliberately dumbs down elements, otherwise, why rent PS. I use Affinity now because its very, very close to the power of PS, but mainly because I don't like renting stuff.
Anyhow, Linda finds Elements does everything she needs, and I understand that. Elements does about everything anyone needs, just a little bit harder to get there with a wacky, limited interface.
Oct 18, 2022 09:20:21 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Simple indeed.
How much mud can these waters hold?
Working with layers is for convenience and flexibility, I would say.
Working with bitmap files is always potentially destructive. Once you make changes, save and close the file, there is no going back.
Working with raw files is never destructive, since you are editing sidecar files.
Simple indeed.
How much mud can these waters hold?
Working with layers is for convenience and flexibility, I would say.
Working with bitmap files is always potentially destructive. Once you make changes, save and close the file, there is no going back.
Working with raw files is never destructive, since you are editing sidecar files.
Bitmapped files are uncompressed and have a .bmp extension. They are seldom used for anything other than making windows icons. Working with .jpg files is potentially destructive, but when done correctly the "destruction" is insignificant.
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Oct 18, 2022 09:20:40 #
Ozychatie wrote:
Hi CHG_CANON, Yes I did upload an example of the original, unedited image but I'm guessing I didn't do it right if it hasn't shown up. Do I re attach it? I had to re-size it to fit as it was so there is no way the RAW file will fit.
Agreed, the RAW won't attach. The file size limit is 20MB. From PSE, you can 'save as' to a JPEG format and then just check the file size on disk for the resulting file. If still too big to attach, you can also 'Save for Web' from PSE, and then manipulate the pixel resolution, say to the 2048px 'long side' suggested in an earlier link.
You have to click the 'store original' so the file can be downloaded by others and reviewed in detail. The edited version is what is being requested.
Oct 18, 2022 09:30:44 #
BigDaddy wrote:
You've made a good point about comparisons. What works for one person could frustrate someone else. What one person loves, another hates. Go figure I used PS for many years and also Elements. PSE I... (show quote)
I never attempted to learn the full Photoshop. I asked for recommendations circa early 2013 when I was fully fed up with Corel Paintshop Pro. I loved Elements immediately - compared to my prior experiences. In the past couple of years I tried Affinity and at first found it similar to Elements, but I wasn't using it often enough to retain anything I learned, so I went back to what I did know.
Oct 18, 2022 09:37:19 #
BigDaddy wrote:
Similar to when someone points out they noticed a little noise when viewing an image at 100%. Insignificant or significant, technician or artist (how the moment feels and how you capture it). Determined by the viewer's pov, and the practitioner's interests and goals....Working with .jpg files is potentially destructive, but when done correctly the "destruction" is insignificant.
Oct 18, 2022 09:54:03 #
r1ch
Loc: Colorado
BigDaddy said I used PS for many years and also Elements. PSE IMNSHO is much harder to use than PS. If you were intimately familiar with both, you would know this.
I would disagree in one aspect. Elements has an easy mode called quick mode which hide more difficult/advanced aspects of photo editing while still making basic edits found in your cell phone editor
Elements is deliberately tuned down so it doesn't work as well as PS. Try to create an action with PSE for example. Also the interface is goofy if you've already internalized PS. Linda thinks PSE is easy because she never fully learned PS.
The last version of PS I used was CS6 and I am quite familiar with that. The last version of Elements was 2019, I had it in my mind reading online that Elements + magically made Elements like PS, but didn't and will be the last version I will buy.
I quit using both several years ago but I doubt anything has changed. Adobe deliberately dumbs down elements, otherwise, why rent PS. I use Affinity now because its very, very close to the power of PS, but mainly because I don't like renting stuff.
I don't rent anything. Maybe a rental car at an airport.
Anyhow, Linda finds Elements does everything she needs, and I understand that. Elements does about everything anyone needs, just a little bit harder to get there with a wacky, limited interface.
I agree, but you can do everything you need with free stuff too but I don't like Adobe for it's rental model. Its dumbed down Elements software which make me think it is garbage when compared to other offerings.
There are now other things available that are better, and easier and don't force you to rent them.
I use Affinity photo as well. I does a good job and I think I paid $30 black friday and bought some extra items for $24 Best thing since sliced bread. I don't use it that much but some things it is necessary over my other photo editors On1 and Luminar Neo I have Topaz which I like as well, I have all the legacy stuff since the beginning. One thing I found Affinity has over the other two it has a noise generating filter. After using destructive layers or vignette, gradient masks I found color banding in skys and other smooth gradients. You have to add noise to get rid of it. This does not happen in raw but when do have to use layers it can creep in
I would disagree in one aspect. Elements has an easy mode called quick mode which hide more difficult/advanced aspects of photo editing while still making basic edits found in your cell phone editor
Elements is deliberately tuned down so it doesn't work as well as PS. Try to create an action with PSE for example. Also the interface is goofy if you've already internalized PS. Linda thinks PSE is easy because she never fully learned PS.
The last version of PS I used was CS6 and I am quite familiar with that. The last version of Elements was 2019, I had it in my mind reading online that Elements + magically made Elements like PS, but didn't and will be the last version I will buy.
I quit using both several years ago but I doubt anything has changed. Adobe deliberately dumbs down elements, otherwise, why rent PS. I use Affinity now because its very, very close to the power of PS, but mainly because I don't like renting stuff.
I don't rent anything. Maybe a rental car at an airport.
Anyhow, Linda finds Elements does everything she needs, and I understand that. Elements does about everything anyone needs, just a little bit harder to get there with a wacky, limited interface.
I agree, but you can do everything you need with free stuff too but I don't like Adobe for it's rental model. Its dumbed down Elements software which make me think it is garbage when compared to other offerings.
There are now other things available that are better, and easier and don't force you to rent them.
I use Affinity photo as well. I does a good job and I think I paid $30 black friday and bought some extra items for $24 Best thing since sliced bread. I don't use it that much but some things it is necessary over my other photo editors On1 and Luminar Neo I have Topaz which I like as well, I have all the legacy stuff since the beginning. One thing I found Affinity has over the other two it has a noise generating filter. After using destructive layers or vignette, gradient masks I found color banding in skys and other smooth gradients. You have to add noise to get rid of it. This does not happen in raw but when do have to use layers it can creep in
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