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Oct 14, 2022 17:23:01   #
BebuLamar
 
bwana wrote:
Did you even read and understand my comment? Memory stick NOT RAM!

bwa


When Jerry said 2 8GB sticks is better than 1 16GB he meant the RAM DIMM. Many people do call the RAM DIMM stick. He didn't meant the USB thumb drives.

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Oct 14, 2022 20:45:21   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
Where did you come from ? You are sadly lacking in computer knowledge to even ask that question.
Memory sticks fit into memory slots. The original discussion was why or how do you plug memory sticks into a motherboard. And I answered it exactly why you plug memory sticks (or RAM chips or DRAM cards or whatever you want to call them) into a motherboard a certain way, and the disadvantages of not doing it correctly.
Memory sticks contain RAM mounted on them !
Not to put too fine a point onto it I suggest you do a technical course 101 on computers.

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Oct 14, 2022 21:09:13   #
BebuLamar
 
chrissybabe wrote:
Where did you come from ? You are sadly lacking in computer knowledge to even ask that question.
Memory sticks fit into memory slots. The original discussion was why or how do you plug memory sticks into a motherboard. And I answered it exactly why you plug memory sticks (or RAM chips or DRAM cards or whatever you want to call them) into a motherboard a certain way, and the disadvantages of not doing it correctly.
Memory sticks contain RAM mounted on them !
Not to put too fine a point onto it I suggest you do a technical course 101 on computers.
Where did you come from ? You are sadly lacking in... (show quote)


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Oct 14, 2022 21:35:07   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
BebuLamar wrote:
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I consider myself chastised. When I wrote my reply it was directly under his so I didn't bother. Have the same problem other places when a reply comes in after theirs but before yours gets published so I guess to a 3rd party it might be unclear as to who was being replied to. Although I suspect in this case you could have worked backwards to see who was not understanding how a computer works.

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Oct 14, 2022 21:47:40   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
BebuLamar wrote:
When Jerry said 2 8GB sticks is better than 1 16GB he meant the RAM DIMM. Many people do call the RAM DIMM stick. He didn't meant the USB thumb drives.

Never heard them referred to as 'memory sticks' in my decades of using/building computers BUT you learn something every day...

bwa

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Oct 14, 2022 21:52:37   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
bwana wrote:
Never heard them referred to as 'memory sticks' in my decades of using/building computers BUT you learn something every day...bwa

Wait until you get some people referring to their hard drive size as the computers memory.

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Oct 14, 2022 22:31:00   #
rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS
 
Every CPU has a memory controller. The memory controller can have any number of channels with 2 being the most common for consumer PCs. For the best performance, you match the number of memory sticks to the number of channel with 1 stick per channel. This is why most memory is sold as a 2 stick kit. With 2 sticks and 4 slots, the manual will guide you how to populate the slots. The High End Desktop motherboards (Xeon cpus and X299 chipset) have a 4 channel memory controller.

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Oct 15, 2022 09:37:56   #
BebuLamar
 
I don't really know exactly what is the reason but I followed the instructions from HP
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/http://h20331.www2.hp.com/Hpsub/downloads/HP-Z600-Workstation-memory-configuration-and-optimization.pdf
My computer has 6 slots and 2 CPUs. It came with 12GB with 2GB in each slot. I put 6 8GB, one 8GB in each slot.
It appears that each CPU has 3 channels of memory and the channel 1 must be filled first. They said it's best to fill all 3 channels because the CPU then operates with 3 channels of memory. Each CPU has 3 slots and if you only have 1 CPU only 3 slots can be used.

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Oct 15, 2022 09:57:26   #
Canisdirus
 
Realize we are talking about turning 50 cents into 52 cents here.

I doubt anyone would notice the difference...

A better memory speed will make much more of a difference.

Pretty much all electronic gear which is component based...is a marriage of parts.
You can get everything to run with almost any gear within reason....but the best is when everything is in the synergy with each other.

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Oct 15, 2022 12:01:40   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
chrissybabe wrote:
It is called 'interleaving'. While one slot is being read another slot is being set up. They swap back and forth. Since the functions overlap slightly you end up with a speed gain. The swapping is controlled by a memory controller. Most motherboards use two interleaving channels. Motherboards with single slots probably have interleaving capabilities built in but just can't use it. My motherboard has 3 channels of interleaving so presumably gains even more speed.
You can safely ignore interleaving if the board will still work but just remember that you lose some performance.
If you look at a motherboards specs you will see that (assuming say 4 slots) there is a preferred way the memory should be added. There is a reason for this. Memory should be preferably the same kind and speed to maximise the potential speed gains of the interleaving. If you find that somebody like Dell (only an example because they all do it) has used a single 16GB chip instead of the 2 x 8GB that they should have then realize that it is because a single chip costs fractionally less than 2 chips. They are maximizing cost savings to themselves as they don't care about you gaining a slight performance increase. By reading the above comments it seems that most of you don't understand or care that you have been ripped off.
It is called 'interleaving'. While one slot is bei... (show quote)


EXACTLY!

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Oct 15, 2022 12:17:52   #
decoonass Loc: San Antonio
 
Two memory sticks enable the use of Dual Channel technology.
Dual Channel is the feature that allows the chipset or processor to communicate with two memory channels simultaneously. The memories work simultaneously and provide twice the data width of the bus. The common of DDR memories is to work with the incredible amount of 64 bits, but with the Dual Channel feature, this value “doubles” and stays in 128 bits.

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Oct 15, 2022 15:11:36   #
tgreenhaw
 
In general the cpu chip can get information twice as fast with two. It is like two lanes instead of one can handle more traffic.

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Oct 15, 2022 16:47:45   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
Surprisingly it is very hard to find any information on real world speed increases by interleaving. I used to know all this stuff 20-30 years ago but have forgotten it. Heaps of articles on what interleaving is with lots of theoretical info on how fast it theoretically is but nothing, that I could find, on actual overall system performance improvements as found in the real world. My vague feelings are that real world performance on average might be 10-20% (none of this doubling etc frequently seen) only which is still worth having since it is 'free'.

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Oct 19, 2022 19:56:15   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't really know exactly what is the reason but I followed the instructions from HP
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/http://h20331.www2.hp.com/Hpsub/downloads/HP-Z600-Workstation-memory-configuration-and-optimization.pdf
My computer has 6 slots and 2 CPUs. It came with 12GB with 2GB in each slot. I put 6 8GB, one 8GB in each slot.
It appears that each CPU has 3 channels of memory and the channel 1 must be filled first. They said it's best to fill all 3 channels because the CPU then operates with 3 channels of memory. Each CPU has 3 slots and if you only have 1 CPU only 3 slots can be used.
I don't really know exactly what is the reason but... (show quote)


Yes!
You are using 6 core Xeon chips. 12 threads!
Those other lesser computers are running only 2 or maybe 4 cores.
Their ram is more efficient in pairs, ours are best in triplets.
*THIS* system contains a pair of X5675 3.0ghz chips. 2tb SSD. No slow!
The CPUs depend on which rev mobo you have: rev 1 boards 55xx series,
rev 2 board 55xx and 56xx series; 5690s should but don't work!
EZ PZ upgrades!

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