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Oct 8, 2022 12:26:13   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Scruples wrote:
The cost of everything has gone up. The supply chains are frail and will fracture. The deficits of using film are slowly outweighing the benefits. Using film requires a slight more expertise as it can challenge new students.

I have several film cameras each given to me because the previous owner felt the need to move on. I have repaired a Russian Zenit-E. I have repaired a Pentax Spotmatic. I have repaired a Canon Rebel 2000. Other film cameras that I own are an AE-1, 1v-HS and a Minolta SR T MC II. I have a Canon 5D-II and a 5D-IV. (Sorry CHG_CANON, I have no mirrorless as yet).
Some camera films were great in their day and died a horrible twitching death. Some films have existed since the birth of time and will continue to the end of us. But the cost of film will fluctuate as does that of memory cards. I remember you could only buy a 2 GB memory card, and that cost $40. Now you can buy a 256GB card for $60. Have things gotten better? I’m not so sure!

I remember the red LED watches were all the rage when I was in High School and they cost $300 with a pair of $90 fashion designer jeans. Now you can pick up both for under $40.

I do miss Kodak BW400CN film. It was a cheap B&W film that produced very nice and creamy sepia tones. Now you can only pick up an expired roll here and there.

I had ordered a copy of a new book titled,
“MAKING KODAK FILM” by Robert Shanebrook. I plan on digesting each and every page.
The cost of everything has gone up. The supply cha... (show quote)


The CN in Kodak BW400CN film means color negative! It was a C41 process B&W film that could be printed on color paper, optically or digitally. Any color cast (sepia or magenta or…) was an unintentional sign the printer or paper process was out of control.

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Oct 8, 2022 14:03:25   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
burkphoto wrote:
The CN in Kodak BW400CN film means color negative! It was a C41 process B&W film that could be printed on color paper, optically or digitally. Any color cast (sepia or magenta or…) was an unintentional sign the printer or paper process was out of control.


That is very interesting.

When I started using BW400CN, I intended to use it for Black and White photo for my high school year book. One day I brought a roll into the pharmacy. I forgotten to check off the “BW box” on the envelope. When I picked up the roll, I noticed I didn’t check off the box. I figured an entire roll was ruined. It would be a stack of white 4x5’s. I was mistaken and I noticed the sepia tones. I immediately fell in love with the portraits I had taken. This was well worth the mistake. I truly miss that film and every now and then I find an expired roll and hope for the best!
Thanks for the information and the wonderful memories of 1976.

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Oct 8, 2022 14:29:44   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Scruples wrote:
That is very interesting.

When I started using BW400CN, I intended to use it for Black and White photo for my high school year book. One day I brought a roll into the pharmacy. I forgotten to check off the “BW box” on the envelope. When I picked up the roll, I noticed I didn’t check off the box. I figured an entire roll was ruined. It would be a stack of white 4x5’s. I was mistaken and I noticed the sepia tones. I immediately fell in love with the portraits I had taken. This was well worth the mistake. I truly miss that film and every now and then I find an expired roll and hope for the best!
Thanks for the information and the wonderful memories of 1976.
That is very interesting. br br When I started u... (show quote)


Black and white film that is developed in color chemistry is called chromogenic black and white film. I haven't kept up with film in a long time, but when I type chromogenic black and white film into Google, I see that Ilford is making such film. Perhaps you might consider trying it. I'm guessing you got the sepia tone with the other film because it was printed as color negative film, and it didn't come out neutral.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/153916-REG/Ilford_1839575_XP_2_Super_135_36_B_W.html

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Oct 8, 2022 14:38:26   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
therwol wrote:
Black and white film that is developed in color chemistry is called chromogenic black and white film. I haven't kept up with film in a long time, but when I type chromogenic black and white film into Google, I see that Ilford is making such film. Perhaps you might consider trying it. I'm guessing you got the sepia tone with the other film because it was printed as color negative film, and it didn't come out neutral.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/153916-REG/Ilford_1839575_XP_2_Super_135_36_B_W.html
Black and white film that is developed in color ch... (show quote)


Yep. I used the first version of Ilford's XP film in 1982 to photograph my sister's wedding. I printed it myself on real silver halide paper, though. It was good stuff. Kodak gave me some rolls of BW400CN years ago. I tested it, then tested the latitude on our lab scanners. I got printable results from almost two stops underexposed to three stops overexposed! That was impressive.

Still, it is hard to beat real B&W film if you have the means to soup it yourself.

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Oct 8, 2022 14:57:13   #
glennk
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The only people shooting film in 2022 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn.


Well, I must be a fossil, because I'm definitely not rich or from Brooklyn.

But I do enjoy loading my F-1 with film that was best used by some date in the 1980s and taking random shots while I'm out and about and seeing what I get. And I develop the B&W film before I scan it (but not the C41).

But that's only a couple hundred images a year compared to the 100k+ that I take digitally...

Glenn

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Oct 8, 2022 15:14:55   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
Bulk film rolls was the way to good! There used to be a Porter's camera shop/company in I believe it was Cedar Falls Iowa. They always had the best prices and more variety than any other company. They always had hard to find and unusual items. Miss them so much!


I used to love looking at Porter's catalogue, printed on newsprint. There were all sorts of useful items available, but mixed in with these were all sorts of "cheesy" little offerings that were fun to browse.

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Oct 8, 2022 15:35:13   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Without having read the other replies my first guess would be the price of silver is driving up the cost.

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Oct 8, 2022 16:02:23   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Buying the film is just half the cost... There's also developing it. Then there is making something usable with it, like a print or a scan.

If I were shooting B&W film today, and didn't want to set up dark room or deal with the chemicals, I'd go with Ilford XP2. That's a chromogenic film, meaning it uses C41 processing, which is the most widely available processing method (same process as used for color negative film). Chromogenic B&W film uses dyes that make it much better than silver halide B&W film for scanning for digital post-processing and inkjet printing.

Ilford XP5 (ISO 400) is available as...
- 24 exposure rolls......... $9
- 36 exposure rolls....... $12
- 100' bulk roll........... $113
(makes 18.5 36 exp. rolls, approx. $6.25/roll)
- 120 roll...................... $9

If I already had the chemistry and dark room, my favorite B&W film is Fuji's Neopan Acros (ISO 100). If higher ISO is needed it's a bit of a toss up between Ilford HP5 and Kodak Tri-X (both ISO 400).

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Oct 8, 2022 16:05:29   #
VTMatwood Loc: Displaced Vermonta in Central New Hampsha
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The only people shooting film in 2022 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn.


Interesting... I am 54 (absolutely not a fossil), hardly rich, and not from Brooklyn; and I just returned from a trip shooting both digital and medium format B&W film (Ilford HP5+ in case you other fossils, hipsters, and/or rich people are curious). I suggest you recheck your demographic research.

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Oct 8, 2022 16:09:11   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
I too am a fossil and from Brooklyn. I definitely am eons past being a hipster. (Wait!… What!…. Where did I put my bell bottom jeans?). I have tried Ilford XP2 but I wasn’t that enamored with it. I prefer HP5 over it. I have never heard of Porter’s Catalogue either. Most Pharmacies no longer develop film. I use:

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Oct 8, 2022 17:16:13   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
This has been an interesting post. I just looked at my expired film, which has not been stored in a freezer. Much of it probably should be tossed, two rolls of Plus X 20 exposure, a roll of Gekko MW400 Panochromatic (when was the last time you heard of that). Two rolls of Agfa apx 25 iso, Ten rolls of Agfa iso 100, six rolls of Ilford xp2 400.

Here might be the most unusual. I have 28 rolls of Kodak Advantix 400 iso B&W APS film. When I say APS, I am not referring to a sensor size but rather to Advance Photo System, if I am allowed to utter those words on this site.
I have tried a this, but have considered firing off a roll and sending it to Dwaynes in Kansas. I enjoy some of the B&W film videos on Youtube, others not quite so much. Thanks for your interesting post.

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Oct 8, 2022 17:35:39   #
VTMatwood Loc: Displaced Vermonta in Central New Hampsha
 
RodeoMan wrote:
This has been an interesting post. I just looked at my expired film, which has not been stored in a freezer. Much of it probably should be tossed


Before you toss any of that, please let me know as I'll likely take it off your hands ;) ... I love expired film, regardless of how it was stored.

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Oct 8, 2022 17:46:54   #
Steve22
 
I just bought my kid ten rolls of CatLabs x 320 b/w 35mm 36 for ~$79 with shipping. They sell 120 at the same price.
Good luck and good shooting

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Oct 8, 2022 18:58:49   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
RodeoMan wrote:
This has been an interesting post. I just looked at my expired film, which has not been stored in a freezer. Much of it probably should be tossed, two rolls of Plus X 20 exposure, a roll of Gekko MW400 Panochromatic (when was the last time you heard of that). Two rolls of Agfa apx 25 iso, Ten rolls of Agfa iso 100, six rolls of Ilford xp2 400.

Here might be the most unusual. I have 28 rolls of Kodak Advantix 400 iso B&W APS film. When I say APS, I am not referring to a sensor size but rather to Advance Photo System, if I am allowed to utter those words on this site.
I have tried a this, but have considered firing off a roll and sending it to Dwaynes in Kansas. I enjoy some of the B&W film videos on Youtube, others not quite so much. Thanks for your interesting post.
This has been an interesting post. I just looked ... (show quote)


I still have two Canon ELPH cameras that took APS film. Talk about a dead end film format… I was at the International Photo Marketing Association convention when they announced APS film, cameras, and mini-lab processors. I asked my lab’s Kodak tech rep, “Do they know what year this is?” I got an eye roll and a “No comment.”

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Oct 8, 2022 21:24:55   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
RodeoMan wrote:
This has been an interesting post. I just looked at my expired film, which has not been stored in a freezer. ....


Where has it been stored?

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