gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

Honest police should have no fear of being recorded or photographed when on duty. Being a jerk is not illegal in and of itself but police are given authority to use lethal force and they should be monitored often and closely. They work for us, or should, but it has become a matter of them thinking they are the unquestionable authority and any command that proceeds from their lips s lawful and binding. All such behavior by those in authority should be stomped out quickly and thoroughly in any free society.

Government, at it's core, is the rationalization of the use of force and it should never be used improperly or too hastily as the consequences are extremely dangerous and damaging.

mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)

Thank you for that. I was beginning to think everyone on this forum was deluded. I like your Jefferson quote. I think Thomas Jefferson was one of the greatest men in human history. But I think many on this forum would have called him a whining liberal. I do agree that, under normal circumstances, the young man's response to the police was perhaps unwise. But that doesn't change the fact that the arrest was unlawful and a violation of his rights. If this episode leads to a law suit that costs the state money it is the incompetent half trained policeman who is to blame, not the victim. If the police were better trained and more diligent in obeying the law more real criminals would go to jail instead of being let off because of "in-admissable evidence".

mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)

Its not illegal to ask for it, but it is illegal to arrest someone for not producing it!

Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az

Several say you must reply to a reasonable request of a police officer just because an officer comes over and starts to ask questions. What happened to the Constitution of the United States; has it been suspended without my knowing? The 5th Admendment covers - you are not required to answer any questions and are not required to talk to the police. As a matter of fact it was required that they tell you this fact when arrested. This man clearly states he does not want to talk to the police officer that is confronting him. No crime has been committed, none was being investigated in the area other than the ticketing of the driver of the car. This whole incident in the area was over, but then an officer goes out of his way, yes out of his way, you see him come walking out of the blinding lights way back there, and approach this man directly and starts the bullying incident. The man says he doesn't want to talk to the officer and that is the only reason of his arrest. He's not required to show ID. So why a law suit? Because the officer's just couldn't get into the police car and leave. Common sense says the one who starts the incident should be the one punished. The bully, not the target. Your blind if you can not see that cop targeted him. There is none blinder than one who does not want to see! I have been twice accosted at different times by such officers. I had to endue the lambasting by one of them (including screaming in the ears [chin on the shoulder] and being spit upon by him), the other in my own home. A plainclothesman, while on duty, in a marked black and white, came to my door and wanted in to talk to me. I said no, just stay outside. Then he started in on me about a private matter between another person and me; then started threatening me. I asked him to wait a second and went to the phone and called IA with him standing there. IA wanted to talk to him right then, I refused to let him in the house, told them he has radios and other means and to contact him that way. A raving cop, with a gun, and a badge and they wanted me to let him in the house. No way! They both were severly taken care of. This cop of this story is just another bully! As for those who advocate to bending of the knee to authority just becasue it is authority, this country is awash in the blood of patriots who died for the freedom we have. It just goes to show how cheaply you think freedom and rights are becasue it wasn't your blood spilled by you advocate the giving of freedoms and rights away to authority just because its authority. It's this thinking that gave humanity the Ceasar's and Hitler and all the rest of scum of authority in authority at those times. The arrested man was standing on his rights, you are helping to trample on them. At least the jurists and judges know the difference, when they make the awards they make, that you are griping about. The adage about speech "I may not like what you say, but I'll defend you right to say it", also can be streatched to encompass I may not like what you do, but I'll defend you right to do it. You should also be defending his rights. Why will all the charges dropped that the officer brings against him. Because the bully had no grounds for the charges or arrest in the first place! I could go on and on .....

hangman45 Loc: Hueytown Alabama

But you think it is OK for him to follow the cops around constantly for the past 11 years harassing them and going to the police station on a regular basis harassing them I do not blame the cops one bit he has been on them for no reason for years the ones I believe that are wearing blinders are the ones that think he is right. Some of you think that just because they are cops are always to blame and the idiots like him that clearly have a vendetta against the police force and go out of their way to provoke them into a reaction so they can tape it and show how bad the cops are. The Constitution only applies to people like you on the points that suit you the Constitution does not say anything about having to show ID to the police if they ask for it the problem is no common courtesy or respect for the job they do everyone is just looking for a payday. There are bad cops but there are more bad people that they have to deal with on a daily basis I personally do not have a problem showing my ID at any time. I watched the video plus others from his site and did not see where he was bullied or treated unfairly he was asked politely for ID and he reacted with a attitude and disrespect for no reason. I honestly think he has some issues that would be better treated by a psychiatrist than a police officer riding a bicycle around at midnight filming cops doing nothing wrong is strange in my book.
And to your point of all the patriots that died for our freedom I served my country for almost 10 years as has many more on here I also have the freedom to think he is wrong and so are you.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Try crawling into a uniform, put on about 8 pounds of vest, strap a gun on your hip, crawl into an abused car and drive for about 8 hours.
Keeping in mind that you have no idea the mind set nor intentions of the next person you come into contact with on a dimly lit street at 2 in the morning. Especially after you have wittnessed this person go through a red light doing 60 MPH in a 40 MPH zone, all this after it took him about a mile to finally realize that the flashing red & blue lights are to get his attention.
Keep in mind that you worked and went to college at night to get your degree. Taking this time away from your family just to further your knowledge of the law to better your ability to serve the public. You have been doing this for 10 15 years now experiencing every degradable response to your efforts that can be imagined.
How would you have reacted to a non cooperative individual standing back in the shadows watching you do your job?
Please, be mature and responsible enough not to even start that bully and power trip garbage, it just doesn't sit to well.

CanonFire Loc: Phoenixville, PA

That's no excuse. If you can't deal with the pressures of the job you shouldn't be in the job. Having a badge doesn't give you a right to be an overbearing asshole!

Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az

I do have many relatives that are police officers, and had a close friend that was one at one time, so I am not against officers just to be anti-social. While talking with Bob he would tell me of things what he and others would do just to get their jollies off. This was strickly bullying, and I would comment about that in that way. If any other person would have done some of these things, they would have landed in jail for a very long time. But, because for their badge, they were exempt or excused from punishment because of their behavior. The Blue Thin Line. We all need to be equal in the eyes of the law, not have exemptions for some just because they enforce it. This officer was an example of those that fall through the crack and get a job where a bully can get away with murder. Yes murder, off the top of my head I can think of at least 4 incidents where cops should have been charged with murder. One in Chicago because of a wallet, one in San Dieago becasue they were at the wrong house on a warrent, one in Ajo Az because one officer wanted to prove his worth, and one in Tucson Az because of their execution of a warrent. Oh a 5th ,what about Waco, that was a total fiasco of our authority bullying. If this stress gets to these guys, then they are in the wrong field of employment.

Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

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gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

Bingo.

Are we supposed to nullify the Bill of Rights when it is inconvenient, aggravating or bothersome to uphold? That is called the law of rule versus the rule of law. If you can't stand the heat find a cooler job. Making excuses to allow for cops to ignore or break the law is a foolish and dangerous position to hold. History proves this practice to be unwise.