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Sep 6, 2022 13:23:16   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
You missed my points:

All of the F mount variations will mount on by my 1971 F with varying levels of functionality. Admittedly the G lenses provide little functionality and AF-P lenses provide nearly no functionality. New D series glass will mount and work just fine on the F and it’s successors. Better yet, I don’t need to haul around a unused AF motor around with me if I’m using the F with new glass.

All of them will also mount on the Z with the FTZ adapter again with varied levels of functionality. Including the pre-AIS lenses.

The one time Nikon made a mount change that orphaned lenses they sold an inexpensive upgrade service that would correct the incompatibility.

I think Nikon’s done a better job of supporting its existing user base over time. I like that.

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Sep 6, 2022 13:32:35   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
This all should be settled by Thursday’s Digest? 🥴😏🎁

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Sep 6, 2022 13:37:23   #
tgreenhaw
 
Reminds me of Ford Vs Chevy. All the major brands get you where you want to go. Nikon and Canon both yield excellent results. Most brands try to maintain some kind of backward compatibility with lenses because it helps sell the new generation of bodies.

Loyalists are almost never familiar with the other brands and not qualified to make fair comparisons.

I’m glad you are happy with Nikon. I’m happy with Canon. If I went with Nikon, my pictures would probably look the same and I’d still be happy.

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Sep 6, 2022 14:21:48   #
Jersey guy Loc: New Joisey
 
tgreenhaw wrote:
Reminds me of Ford Vs Chevy. All the major brands get you where you want to go. Nikon and Canon both yield excellent results. Most brands try to maintain some kind of backward compatibility with lenses because it helps sell the new generation of bodies.

Loyalists are almost never familiar with the other brands and not qualified to make fair comparisons.

I’m glad you are happy with Nikon. I’m happy with Canon. If I went with Nikon, my pictures would probably look the same and I’d still be happy.
Reminds me of Ford Vs Chevy. All the major brands ... (show quote)


Bravo, Tgreenshaw. I knew from post #1 that the wars would begin again and I wasn't wrong. Thanks for your sane response. Canon and Nikon had better look over their collective shoulders at the Cell Phone cameras that are, and that are coming. They are improving by exponential leaps while the DSLR and MILCs keep adding bells and whistles that don't improve my images or make it any easier to capture unexpected situations quickly. On my older camera the 9 focus points seemed to work fine but I chose center point focusing nevertheless. So how does it improve things to have 2 million focus points? (Excuse the only-slightly-exaggerated hyperbole).

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Sep 6, 2022 14:46:23   #
WILLARD98407 Loc: TACOMA, WA.
 
[quote=Architect1776]
smf85 wrote:
I have shot Nikon since 1971. The oldest lens I own is a F mount 13.5cm 3.5 Nikkor c.1963. Which I purchased used as my first 135mm. My first 50mm 1.4 was also purchased used - made in 1969. They mount and operate on my Z9. Kinda clunky but works correctly. And on my Z7, Z6, D850, D200, and my F. Most of my AF, AF D and previous lenses will mount and operate manually on the F. Even the old F mount intrusive fisheyes will (mostly) mount and operate properly on the Z camera’s. I’m annoyed that my screw AF lenses don’t autofocus on the Z series with the FTZ. But otherwise they work fine.

During the same time period Canon has had the following lens mounts:

1959 R
1964 FL
1971 FD
1987 EF
2003 EF-S (EF compatible)
2012 EF-M
2018 RF (EF lenses can be adapted for the the R camera’s.).


Note for the ignorant:
R, FL and FD are the same mount.
EFs is so crop lenses are not wasted on FF cameras.
EFM will take EF lenses and work just fine.
RF will take every single EF lens with adapter and work 100% or even better especially with the control ring.

Nikon "Mount" changes using your logic:
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Z which does not support but a couple of all the previous lenses including auto focus lenses.

Z orphaned thousands of Nikon owners with un-useable lenses as shown in compatibility charts, and even in the older mounts there was a lot of incompatibility, thus the need for compatibility charts.

100% of EF/EFs lenses are fully compatible with the RF mount with the adapter. (EF lenses have been around for 35 years and anyone under 50 would likely have no clue about FD lenses and could care less) Additionally ALL FD/FL/R/M39 Canon lenses work on the RF mount cameras. So those that still have those great lenses now use them again with the latest R cameras.
See photos, ALL have the same identical mount and I have mounted ALL on R/FL/FD cameras interchangeably.
The last photo has FD/FL/R lenses mounted on all the cameras shown and NOT on FD/FD but so called mixed mounts and as you can see they all mount just fine.
Your ignorance shines through loud and clear.
I have shot Nikon since 1971. The oldest lens I ow... (show quote)


What? No Alpas?

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Sep 6, 2022 14:54:59   #
DMB70
 
I bought my first used Nikon F with a dented penta prism (cosmetic as the camera worked) and a Nikon 50 mm1.4 lens used in 1965 for $50 when I was in 10th grade. Later I sold the camera for $100 and bought a used Ftn also sold later for another Nikon and so on through the years. . I still have the 50 mm lens not to mention alot of Nikon equipment

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Sep 6, 2022 15:03:29   #
Andrzej116 Loc: Leicester, England
 
Canon or Nikon or Canon... That's why i went with both way back in the 1970's and haven't looked back. In many cases the lenses offered by each were different so i went with what was best for my needs. I even swap camera straps at times which really throws the cat among the pigeons when you walk into a camera club!!!

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Sep 6, 2022 16:16:00   #
nblue
 
Nothing wrong with Nikon, Canon or Apple if it suites your needs. It's the photographer, not the camera.

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Sep 6, 2022 16:17:06   #
KillroyII Loc: Middle Georgia
 
smf85 wrote:
I have shot Nikon since 1971. The oldest lens I own is a F mount 13.5cm 3.5 Nikkor c.1963. Which I purchased used as my first 135mm. My first 50mm 1.4 was also purchased used - made in 1969. They mount and operate on my Z9. Kinda clunky but works correctly. And on my Z7, Z6, D850, D200, and my F. Most of my AF, AF D and previous lenses will mount and operate manually on the F. Even the old F mount intrusive fisheyes will (mostly) mount and operate properly on the Z camera’s. I’m annoyed that my screw AF lenses don’t autofocus on the Z series with the FTZ. But otherwise they work fine.

During the same time period Canon has had the following lens mounts:

1959 R
1964 FL
1971 FD
1987 EF
2003 EF-S (EF compatible)
2012 EF-M
2018 RF (EF lenses can be adapted for the the R camera’s.).

I went with Nikon originally because the Canon FL to FD mount change seemingly left the FL user base abandoned. More specifically, the FD used market was non-existent.

That was then. To give Canon it’s due were I to have started serious photography in 1991 or later I might have gone with them. They’re offerings have always been impressive.
I have shot Nikon since 1971. The oldest lens I ow... (show quote)


My 1st interchangeable lens SLR was a Canon FTb-QL. I had labored over the choice between it and a Nikon at the same price. There were 3 differences, in my mind: Canon had an all black body, Canon had 50mm 1.4 as kit (Nikon 1.8), … and the decision in my mind was Canon camera to lens connection was internal and Nikon had an external pin that mated to a tab with slot. “I thought” that Nikon approach made it more fragile.

Stayed with Canon and started our daughter with a Canon SLR film camera.

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Sep 6, 2022 16:18:00   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
tgreenhaw wrote:
Reminds me of Ford Vs Chevy. All the major brands get you where you want to go. Nikon and Canon both yield excellent results. Most brands try to maintain some kind of backward compatibility with lenses because it helps sell the new generation of bodies.

Loyalists are almost never familiar with the other brands and not qualified to make fair comparisons.

I’m glad you are happy with Nikon. I’m happy with Canon. If I went with Nikon, my pictures would probably look the same and I’d still be happy.
Reminds me of Ford Vs Chevy. All the major brands ... (show quote)


Agreed - it’s the photographer not the camera.

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Sep 6, 2022 16:23:27   #
KillroyII Loc: Middle Georgia
 
tgreenhaw wrote:
Reminds me of Ford Vs Chevy. All the major brands get you where you want to go. Nikon and Canon both yield excellent results. Most brands try to maintain some kind of backward compatibility with lenses because it helps sell the new generation of bodies.

Loyalists are almost never familiar with the other brands and not qualified to make fair comparisons.

I’m glad you are happy with Nikon. I’m happy with Canon. If I went with Nikon, my pictures would probably look the same and I’d still be happy.
Reminds me of Ford Vs Chevy. All the major brands ... (show quote)


OK, you did it… brought Ford vs Chevy into this. Actually, I have owned both of them… and Dodge… but this is one of the best pictures on the internet… maybe it will get some laughs



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Sep 6, 2022 16:47:44   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
KillroyII wrote:
My 1st interchangeable lens SLR was a Canon FTb-QL. I had labored over the choice between it and a Nikon at the same price. There were 3 differences, in my mind: Canon had an all black body, Canon had 50mm 1.4 as kit (Nikon 1.8), … and the decision in my mind was Canon camera to lens connection was internal and Nikon had an external pin that mated to a tab with slot. “I thought” that Nikon approach made it more fragile.

Stayed with Canon and started our daughter with a Canon SLR film camera.
My 1st interchangeable lens SLR was a Canon FTb-QL... (show quote)


More fragile - no. Pain in the ass and problematic on occasion - yes. Getting it to index could be difficult and definitely added a step to the mounting process.

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Sep 6, 2022 17:11:15   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
smf85 wrote:
More fragile - no. Pain in the ass and problematic on occasion - yes. Getting it to index could be difficult and definitely added a step to the mounting process.


Fragile, PITA and problematic - ALL of these and more !

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Sep 6, 2022 17:29:14   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
imagemeister wrote:
Fragile, PITA and problematic - ALL of these and more !



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Sep 6, 2022 17:36:40   #
EJMcD
 
smf85 wrote:
I have shot Nikon since 1971. The oldest lens I own is a F mount 13.5cm 3.5 Nikkor c.1963. Which I purchased used as my first 135mm. My first 50mm 1.4 was also purchased used - made in 1969. They mount and operate on my Z9. Kinda clunky but works correctly. And on my Z7, Z6, D850, D200, and my F. Most of my AF, AF D and previous lenses will mount and operate manually on the F. Even the old F mount intrusive fisheyes will (mostly) mount and operate properly on the Z camera’s. I’m annoyed that my screw AF lenses don’t autofocus on the Z series with the FTZ. But otherwise they work fine.

During the same time period Canon has had the following lens mounts:

1959 R
1964 FL
1971 FD
1987 EF
2003 EF-S (EF compatible)
2012 EF-M
2018 RF (EF lenses can be adapted for the the R camera’s.).

I went with Nikon originally because the Canon FL to FD mount change seemingly left the FL user base abandoned. More specifically, the FD used market was non-existent.

That was then. To give Canon it’s due were I to have started serious photography in 1991 or later I might have gone with them. They’re offerings have always been impressive.
I have shot Nikon since 1971. The oldest lens I ow... (show quote)


I've also been using Nikon products for more than 50 years, have never been disappointed and never saw a need to change to Canon. No need or interest in Canon products.

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