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Sep 6, 2022 10:29:33   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
lamiaceae wrote:
When was the last model Nikon made for screw mount lenses? I thought the 1959 F was a bayonet.


My El Nikkor enlarging lenses are screw mount & quite a bit later than 1959.

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Sep 6, 2022 10:39:24   #
Just Shoot Me Loc: Ithaca, NY
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You seem to be confused about some relevant facts in your Canon time-line.

1, The FL lenses were / are fully compatible on FD-mount bodies. Did you actually drive off the road to success as far back as 1971?

2, The EF-S mount really doesn't rise to the level of a mount change. You're probably familiar with Nikon's DX lenses and cameras, similarly the EF-S mount is specific to cropped EOS bodies, a line of cameras that also can use every EF-mount lens ever.

3, The EF-M mount is very specific to a line of cropped mirrorless bodies. Both EF and EF-S lenses are fully compatible with these cameras via an EF-M adapter.

4, You've probably heard now about Nikon's mirrorless Z-mount? You mentioned it. That's the RF mount for Canon EOS full-frame mirrorless. What you probably don't know is that every EF lens ever is fully compatible with the RF cameras, via the Canon adapter. None of the EF / EF-S lenses are downgraded to manual. N O N E. None of the EF / EF-S lenses operate differently on different mirrorless cameras. None, nil, nada, zero, zilch. Maybe when you started this post to pat yourself on the back, you had a small nagging fear EOS technology has displaced Nikon as the upwardly compatible digital platform?

5, For all those EOS mirrorless options, now the age-old R, FL and FD lenses are ready to live on as manual focus lenses on digital mirrorless cameras with the appropriate adapter. So, if you'd gone with Canon way back when and stayed, all that Canon technology can be integrated onto a single digital mirrorless platform.

Falsely denigrating the global leader seems like an odd way to justify staying with the now #3 brand.
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Come on now Paul, don't cut us short. Tell us how you really feel.😃

Ron

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Sep 6, 2022 10:41:22   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
imagemeister wrote:
I think he means screw DRIVE lenses ....


You’re correct.

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Sep 6, 2022 10:51:54   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
We all love our cameras (except a few) or we would not have them.
If your camera does what you want it's good.

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Sep 6, 2022 10:54:54   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
I bought my first real camera, a Canon AE-1, in the late 70s. The advice at the time was that amateurs bought Canon and very serious enthusiasts and professionals bought Nikon. Nikon's were more expensive, especially the glass, but the build quality was better and would handle harsher environments. The AE-1 served me well for a several years until a 10 day hike in the Sange De Cristo Mountains of New Mexico where it died due to the early morning cold and moisture at higher altitude. I believe were spent a lot of time from 7,000 to 9,000 ft. The repair shop said the electronics were dead. From then on, I bought Nikon and their equipment has never failed me. One caveat, I picked up a medium format Mamiya 645 1000s in the mid 80s that I still have and use today. It is my only film camera. My first digital camera was a 5mp Lumix FZ20 bought for Christmas 2004, which I still have and it still works, and I have a couple of point and shoots from Sony and Casio. Right now I have 5 Nikon bodies and a couple of dozen Nikkor, Tamron, and Sigma lenses.

How times have changed. We've gone from Nikon and Canon to several high quality, well built brands today.

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Sep 6, 2022 10:57:59   #
gouldopfl
 
I wanted to sell some of my zoom f/2.8 lenses because of weight and go with primes. Canon's new policy of cease and desist to third party lenses manufacturers is going to far. I think thar camera companies are like commercial software vendors, they try and cover their costs in the first 12 months with new sales and yearly maintenance fees. That is how we operated before I sold it and all other vendors in thar market segment

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Sep 6, 2022 11:11:39   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Maybe we should set up a nonprofit camera company and buy at cost plus insurance and retirement of it' people? But, we will have to pay extra for development, tooling, sales and customer service.
I agree with free enterprise, and make my own choices and pay the price.

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Sep 6, 2022 11:26:50   #
speedmaster Loc: Kendall, FL
 
smf85 wrote:
1. At the time, meaning when I made the decision, that wasn’t obvious. By your lights I probably did drive off the road to photographic success then.

2. You fail to point out that an EF-S lens won’t mount on an EF camera while a DX lens will mount on a F camera and work normally.

3. Wasn’t including non-Canon OEM adapters.

4. Every AF-S and AF-P Nikkor also works fine with the FTZ adapter. Nikon continued to make older lens types to serve its established market - specifically its older film cameras. Yes, I can still get new lenses for my F. That they won’t work with my Z fully is besides the point. And I don’t have to haul around an AF motor I can’t use with the F.

5. True but you need multiple non-Canon adapters.

Hardly degrading anyone. The leader is irrelevant to me. Nikon makes good equipment with a long history of not abandoning its user base. I went Nikon a long time ago and accumulated a large amount of glass some of it highly specialized (and not available in Canon mount). I kept using the F because it worked the way I want.

When I started looking at digital in 2006 I hesitated a long time because Canon was highly attractive. Eventually my wife decided that for once she could get me something she knew I’d like for my birthday. So she went to the camera store and bought me a D200 and gave it to me. So I wound up sticking with Nikon. I don’t regret it; equally so had I gone with Canon I don’t think I would have regretted it either. But I really do like the fact that all the D glass I have works great on the F. That fact kept me shooting film until this year.

I’m not a fanboy of any company. I neither like nor dislike either Nikon or Canon. They’re just tools - like this made by Milwaukee or Bosch - that enable me to create my art.
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Now we just need that both, Canon and Nikon, allow 3rd party fully auto lens. It is BS to prevent us, the ones with that not so great budget, buying cheaper lens.

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Sep 6, 2022 11:29:55   #
BebuLamar
 
speedmaster wrote:


Now we just need that both, Canon and Nikon, allow 3rd party fully auto lens. It is BS to prevent us, the ones with that not so great budget, buying cheaper lens.
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Nikon is allowing and even encourage Tamron to make their Z mount lenses. Now are any Canon shooter going to switch because Canon doesn't allow 3rd party lenses and Nikon does? I guess the answer is a big NO so Canon knew it.

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Sep 6, 2022 11:54:40   #
Robert1 Loc: Davie, FL
 
Since its introduction in 1975 Pentax has not changed its K mount design. Still is the same mount to all its new cameras and lenses.

Its a shame that the throughout its history Pentax has been so mishandled as mistreated as a business division by almost all its parent company, starting at the end of the Pentax-Honeywell merge. The Hoya acquisition of Pentax was basically almost the deathknell (Hoya only cared about the medical aspect of the business) of the division. It was rescued by Ricoh, but it has kept the brand on a short leash from the beginning. basically, no advertising and kept mostly by the legions of the brand around the world.

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Sep 6, 2022 12:14:01   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
leftj wrote:
My only wish is that my AF D lenses would AF on the Z Cameras.


Same here - there are some AF D lenses that are unique. I really like the DC lenses and their ability to generate good bokeh for portraits and the like.

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Sep 6, 2022 12:29:15   #
gwilliams6
 
mikeroetex wrote:
I love how Canon now shoots 195 fps…. But only for 1/4 of a second … and then freezes and literally locks up for 8 seconds to clear buffer. Now there’s a feature everyone should have!

Sometimes bring the leader in sales ain’t all it’s cracked up to be.


I totally agree.
As a pro this Canon 1/4 second feature will be useless, but Canon can use it to advertise and suck in more buyers. lol

I remember the Canon folks at WPPI in 2020 in Las Vegas telling me the upcoming R5 had solved any heating issues in that small body with no active cooling. We all know how that turned out. Another Canon lie.

Part of the reasons I left Canon after 42 years of pro use.

Cheers and best to you,

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Sep 6, 2022 12:44:30   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
I DO agree with the longevity of Nikon and it's mount system.
While my first SLR was a Fuji
[With an equal classic Screw Mount System]
I upgraded to an F4004 with
[Ritz Camera] Quantiray Zoom lenses for budget reasons.
I had some Kodak point & shoot digital cameras when Film went out of style, and FINALLY got a used D3100 when I retired.
Nikon is STILL an Iconic Camera Brand!

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Sep 6, 2022 12:58:47   #
gouldopfl
 
I agree also, however it has been 5 years since the RF mount was released. Canon is only hurting themselves because new photographers will look elsewhere to Sony, Nikon and Pentax so they aren't locked in.

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Sep 6, 2022 13:16:12   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
Robert1 wrote:
Since its introduction in 1975 Pentax has not changed its K mount design. Still is the same mount to all its new cameras and lenses.


As with the nikon F mount's claimed compatibility, this isn't the entire truth.
Yes there is considerable backwards compatibility, but there are variants of the mount: PKA adding electrical connections which are the only way to control apertures on later lenses. SDM autofocus is only available on some versions (and indeed the earliest PK/PKA versions have no screw drive AF either).
The last couple of mount variations are often called crippled due to one of the linkages being removed & I've heard the aperture coding of the linkages changed between PK & PKA variants, being proportional to aperture diameter in one and aperture area in the other it's not made a big difference to my shots despite mixing lenses at random. Stop down metering being recommended when using earlier versions of the mount on modern digital cameras.

Fortunately I'm not likely to want to use any of my DA lenses on my MX or ME bodies (PK mount) and my later bodies all support PKA.

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