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Sep 2, 2022 13:19:19   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Ballard wrote:
Hi alberio
Thanks for checking out the images of M16 and for the comment. My technique is definitely getting better. I've still got some issues with halos around the brighter stars to work one.


I think the one with reduced stars works the best. Yeah the halos can be difficult.

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Sep 2, 2022 16:07:13   #
tony85629 Loc: Sahuarita, Az
 
Excellent work. Great detail.
At that focal length have you tried binning?

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Sep 2, 2022 17:55:28   #
Ballard Loc: Grass Valley, California
 
alberio wrote:
I think the one with reduced stars works the best. Yeah the halos can be difficult.


Yep. I'll be experimenting with different methods to reduce star halos in the future. I just got some data on Stephan's Quintet that I will see if I can reduce any halos that occur.

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Sep 2, 2022 18:04:11   #
Ballard Loc: Grass Valley, California
 
tony85629 wrote:
Excellent work. Great detail.
At that focal length have you tried binning?


Hi tony85629
Thanks for viewing the images of M16 and for the comment. On these images I left the binning at 1x1. However I did reduce the image size by 20% to get under the 20meg limit without increasing the amount of compression.
I did try 2x2 binning on ring nebula and the Fireworks Galaxy that came out well at the 4096mm focal length. (See links below).
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-743442-1.html
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-743879-1.html
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-745762-1.html
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-744010-1.html

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Sep 2, 2022 18:50:29   #
cwp3420
 
Ballard wrote:
Around a year ago I posted some shots M16 (Messier object 16 also known as the Eagle Nebula) which contains the somewhat famous object known as the Pillars of Creation from its image from the Hubble Telescope. I recently re-images this object with a bit more expertise in both imaging and processing than I had last year. Below are my newest Narrow band images of this nebula. These images contain much more detail than my earlier version.
The first one contains all the stars with the nebula
The second shows a version with the stars reduced
The third shows the nebula with most of the stars removed.
The early image can be seen at
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-703834-1.html
All question comments and suggestions are welcome.

Tech info
M16 is an open star cluster sounded by a star forming emission nebula 5700 light years away in the constellation of Serpens Cauda. The pillars stretch out for ~between 4 and 5 light years (~25 to 30 trillion miles long). Note: the dark stands of dust in the nebula.

These narrow band images were created using, using 3 narrow band filters. These include a Hydrogen Alpha (Ha) centered at 671.6 nanometers (nm) to capture the Ha spectral line, Oxygen 3 (O3) to capture the doubled ionized oxygen spectral line at 500.7nm (and secondary line at 495.7nm) and the Sulphur 2 to capture the singly ionized Sulphur spectral line at 671.6 nm.

All the images were taken at F10 with a 4096 mm focal length using an ASI 6200MM pro camera using 1x1 binning, gain set to 100 and cooled to -12C. The filtered images were stacked and then combined using the Hubble Palette where O3 data is used for the blue channel, the Ha is used for the green channel and the S2 is used for the red channel. This produces a false color image but makes it easier to see the composition of a nebula.

Exposure times used per filter

Ha -21 exposures at 500 seconds each.
O3 -21 exposures at 500 seconds each.
S2 -20 exposures at 500 seconds each.
Around a year ago I posted some shots M16 (Messier... (show quote)


Those photos are awesome, Ballard. Thanks for sharing.

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Sep 2, 2022 18:56:00   #
Ballard Loc: Grass Valley, California
 
cwp3420 wrote:
Those photos are awesome, Ballard. Thanks for sharing.


Hi cwp3420
Thanks for viewing the photos of the Pillars of Creation and for the comment. My please to share them.

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Sep 2, 2022 19:47:30   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
Just WOW!!

Don

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Sep 2, 2022 21:42:59   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Ballard wrote:
Hi Fotoartist
Thanks for viewing the images of the Eagle Nebula and for the comment. The telescope I used is a 4096mm Schmidt Cassegrain with a 16.25 inch mirror (F10). The sensor used in the ASI 6200mm pro is a Sony IMX455 full frame 62 megapixel CMOS sensor with a 16 bit ADC which gives you 14 stops of Dynamic Range.
To create this image I took a total of 62 exposures each 500 seconds long. 21 using the Ha filter, 21 using the O3 filter and 20 using the S2 filter. (I actually took a few more but only stacked the better ones). Total exposure time was ~8.6 hours taken over multiple nights. Each set of images for a given filter were then stacked separately and then assigned to a given color to create the image. Note: to get the images to fit under the 20meg limit I reduced there size by 20% rather than increase the compression in this case.
Hi Fotoartist br Thanks for viewing the images of ... (show quote)


I understand a lot better after that comment. Your star tracking system must be super accurate.

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Sep 2, 2022 22:42:18   #
LeeK Loc: Washington State
 
dancers wrote:
I have no idea what you mean, but these pictures are wonderful, beautiful and interesting!


Ditto!!!!

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Sep 2, 2022 23:29:29   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
Ballard wrote:
Hi Alafoto
Thanks for viewing the images of the Pillars of Creation and for the comment.


You are very welcome. Thank you for sharing your vision. Please post more.

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Sep 3, 2022 09:20:52   #
Ben's nana Loc: Chesterland, Ohio
 
Ballard wrote:
Around a year ago I posted some shots M16 (Messier object 16 also known as the Eagle Nebula) which contains the somewhat famous object known as the Pillars of Creation from its image from the Hubble Telescope. I recently re-images this object with a bit more expertise in both imaging and processing than I had last year. Below are my newest Narrow band images of this nebula. These images contain much more detail than my earlier version.
The first one contains all the stars with the nebula
The second shows a version with the stars reduced
The third shows the nebula with most of the stars removed.
The early image can be seen at
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-703834-1.html
All question comments and suggestions are welcome.

Tech info
M16 is an open star cluster sounded by a star forming emission nebula 5700 light years away in the constellation of Serpens Cauda. The pillars stretch out for ~between 4 and 5 light years (~25 to 30 trillion miles long). Note: the dark stands of dust in the nebula.

These narrow band images were created using, using 3 narrow band filters. These include a Hydrogen Alpha (Ha) centered at 671.6 nanometers (nm) to capture the Ha spectral line, Oxygen 3 (O3) to capture the doubled ionized oxygen spectral line at 500.7nm (and secondary line at 495.7nm) and the Sulphur 2 to capture the singly ionized Sulphur spectral line at 671.6 nm.

All the images were taken at F10 with a 4096 mm focal length using an ASI 6200MM pro camera using 1x1 binning, gain set to 100 and cooled to -12C. The filtered images were stacked and then combined using the Hubble Palette where O3 data is used for the blue channel, the Ha is used for the green channel and the S2 is used for the red channel. This produces a false color image but makes it easier to see the composition of a nebula.

Exposure times used per filter

Ha -21 exposures at 500 seconds each.
O3 -21 exposures at 500 seconds each.
S2 -20 exposures at 500 seconds each.
Around a year ago I posted some shots M16 (Messier... (show quote)


Absolutely breathtaking!!!. I can't even begin to imagine your gear and setup
Fran

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Sep 3, 2022 09:37:22   #
go2hale Loc: North of , Abilene, TEXAS
 
I've never had the time to study this but I've always loved seeing the constellations. Mind Boggling. Great pictures & thanks for sharing !

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Sep 3, 2022 11:33:53   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Ballard wrote:
Hi lmTrying
Thanks for checking out the images of the Pillars of Creation and for the comment. It would take a long time to notice much difference in the nebula's at the scale that I can get. Most differences will be from how the photos were taken and processed (e.g. filters used, sharping done, etc). However I have read that Hubble Team has noticed that “a narrow jet-like feature” has stretched 60 billion miles at a rate of 450,000 miles per hour between 1995 and 2014.


It kind of went through my mind that what changes I was seeing might be the angle of the pillars in the frame, or maybe the lighting. I noticed the obvious changes in light in your photos from the use of different filters. Whatever photos I've seen before probably used different filters etc. They were probably Hubble photos.

I appreciate all the information you provide in addition to the photos. Keep posting and I'll keep looking. And asking questions.

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Sep 3, 2022 12:21:31   #
Ballard Loc: Grass Valley, California
 
PAR4DCR wrote:
Just WOW!!

Don


Hi Don
Thanks for checking out the images of the Pillars of Creation and for the comment.

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Sep 3, 2022 12:42:36   #
Ballard Loc: Grass Valley, California
 
Fotoartist wrote:
I understand a lot better after that comment. Your star tracking system must be super accurate.


Hi Fotoartist
The mount is very accurate. However to compensate for any polar miss alignment, atmospheric refraction, etc, I use an offaxis guider with a small CCD (starlight express LodeStar X2) that is hooked into my laptop and running a freeware program called PHD which then feeds control commands to the mount to keep it tracking within an RMS value of >.5 arcseconds during the exposures on most nights. (The program polls a star image in the LodeStar X2 at a configurable interval from 0.5 to 10 seconds depending on how bright a guide star you can find. Normally I use 2 seconds). The offaxis guider is just a device that sits in front of the filter wheel and camera with a small prism that captures some of the light from the telescope outside the field of view of the main camera and sends it up to the guide CCD.

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