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Aug 29, 2022 08:13:57   #
fredpnm Loc: Corrales, NM
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
So your brake lights will work without the ignition being on!!

Subject switch was to ensure cruise control was cancelled when you applied the brakes - it was not there to turn on brake lights.

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Aug 29, 2022 09:23:02   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
TriX wrote:
A friend’s F-150 recently self-combusted in his driveway (which had not been driven in the last few hours). Luckily it was far enough from their house not to catch it on fire as well, but the vehicle was thoroughly totaled. The fire seemed to have originated near the speed control “module”, and the fire chief on scene said he had seen this happen more than once. That was news to me since there are zillions of F-150s on the road and I had never heard of self-immolation issues. That caused me to Google which vehicles catch fire the most (and it’s not Ford trucks), but I did pick up one tidbit from Car and Driver this year which I found interesting and not what I would have initially suspected:

“ It found that hybrid vehicles, which have an internal combustion engine and an electric motor, had the most fires per 100,000 vehicles (3475), while vehicles with just an internal combustion engine placed second (1530 per 100,000). Fully electric vehicles had the fewest: 25 per 100,000.”
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Back in my day, nothing ever caught fire. The only thing was being careful when the horse did it’s business.

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Aug 29, 2022 09:26:05   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
TriX wrote:
Interesting (but not unexpected) that fully electric are so low, but after seeing a LiPo fire up close, I bet they are a nightmare to extinguish.


I’ll be happy with a horse drawn buggy. Advantages: save on gasoline and can propose to my wife every day we go out for a ride. Disadvantages: steer clear of the rear.

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Aug 29, 2022 09:42:48   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
TriX wrote:
Not to have one what? Cars? F-150s? Hybrids?



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Aug 29, 2022 10:45:58   #
14kphotog Loc: Marietta, Ohio
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
So your brake lights will work without the ignition being on!!


Brake lights work without a key, or switch on, or doors open, or hood up, just push on the correct pedal.

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Aug 29, 2022 11:29:27   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
An electric vehicle battery fire is extremely difficult to extinguish and should the vehicle fire happen in an attached garage, it is likely to take the house with it.

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Aug 29, 2022 11:59:14   #
Stephan G
 
TriX wrote:
Not to have one what? Cars? F-150s? Hybrids?


I would say - Fires.


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Aug 29, 2022 14:11:32   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
fredpnm wrote:
Subject switch was to ensure cruise control was cancelled when you applied the brakes - it was not there to turn on brake lights.


Oh then why do the light come when you depress the brake pedal with the key off.

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Aug 30, 2022 03:45:09   #
Laramie Loc: Tempe
 
This is a little of topic, and I'm sorry about the truck, but there used to be a radio guy in Phoenix who would report car fires as
car-b-cues. Cars burn up, always have, I guess.

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Aug 30, 2022 08:47:12   #
stu352 Loc: MA/RI Border
 
Scruples wrote:
I’ll be happy with a horse drawn buggy. Advantages: save on gasoline and can propose to my wife every day we go out for a ride. Disadvantages: steer clear of the rear.


Yes, but you don't have to refuel and clean up after your car every day, whether you drive it or not.

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Aug 30, 2022 10:05:14   #
Woodworm65 Loc: Lombard, IL
 
UL Labs has done extensive studies on LiPo batteries for cars and their recommendation is to not charge them in your garage they are a nightmare to put out and can easily burn your house down to the ground.

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Aug 30, 2022 11:11:20   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Woodworm65 wrote:
UL Labs has done extensive studies on LiPo batteries for cars and their recommendation is to not charge them in your garage they are a nightmare to put out and can easily burn your house down to the ground.


After seeing a relatively small LiPo fire up close, I wouldn’t charge one in my garage either. The fire didn’t start slowly - it erupted in seconds and it took a LOT of water to put it out. This was just an IPad battery and if there wasn’t an adjoining bathroom so I could submerge it in water, it could have easily burned down the house.

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Aug 30, 2022 12:19:09   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
TriX wrote:
A friend’s F-150 recently self-combusted in his driveway (which had not been driven in the last few hours). Luckily it was far enough from their house not to catch it on fire as well, but the vehicle was thoroughly totaled. The fire seemed to have originated near the speed control “module”, and the fire chief on scene said he had seen this happen more than once. That was news to me since there are zillions of F-150s on the road and I had never heard of self-immolation issues. That caused me to Google which vehicles catch fire the most (and it’s not Ford trucks), but I did pick up one tidbit from Car and Driver this year which I found interesting and not what I would have initially suspected:

“ It found that hybrid vehicles, which have an internal combustion engine and an electric motor, had the most fires per 100,000 vehicles (3475), while vehicles with just an internal combustion engine placed second (1530 per 100,000). Fully electric vehicles had the fewest: 25 per 100,000.”
A friend’s F-150 recently self-combusted in his dr... (show quote)


You didn't mention what year F150. I know that the gen 10 (1997-2003) models, have a faulty sensor on the master cylinder for the cruise control shut off. The original equipment would leak at the master cyl and the brake fluid could catch fire because there is/was constant 12vdc even with the engine off. They sent out a recall and would fix this free, but some people missed the recall notice. I have a 2002 F150 and the cruise control stopped working. I looked at the master cyl and it was leaking brake fluid there. I bought the kit that Ford would have installed via the recall notice and everything is fine now.

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Aug 30, 2022 12:49:10   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
You didn't mention what year F150. I know that the gen 10 (1997-2003) models, have a faulty sensor on the master cylinder for the cruise control shut off. The original equipment would leak at the master cyl and the brake fluid could catch fire because there is/was constant 12vdc even with the engine off. They sent out a recall and would fix this free, but some people missed the recall notice. I have a 2002 F150 and the cruise control stopped working. I looked at the master cyl and it was leaking brake fluid there. I bought the kit that Ford would have installed via the recall notice and everything is fine now.
You didn't mention what year F150. I know that th... (show quote)


Good to know. Since my friend (and lots of others) bought theirs used and never visited a dealer, I’m guessing they were clueless about the recall, but interesting to know the cause of the fire.

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Aug 30, 2022 13:02:12   #
skylinefirepest Loc: Southern Pines, N.C.
 
A station last week put four hours and twenty eight thousand gallons of water on an electric car. We have a few car fires each year but haven't had one in a hybrid or full electric yet although we have trained on how to handle them. For a variety of reasons I won't have an electric since the media is trying to tell us how great they are when there's major problems yet to be solved. Nobody is talking about the disposal problem with the batteries. One other point from a fire standpoint...wrecked electrics and hybrids are parked in open areas of salvage yards because of the fire danger once they've been wrecked.

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