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Aug 27, 2022 08:00:02   #
BrianFlaherty Loc: Wilseyville, CA
 
I believe that "context" plays a role in how you descibe a subject photo or scene. Example: last night, I watch an OLD episode of "MacGuyver". . And it involved "Mac" and friend driving a rural dirt road in an old WW II truck. In one scene, they are shown driving downhill on the road, and commenting to each other about the "hairpin turns" and the narrowness of the road with a deep canyon on their left. Later, in the story, they are returning in the opposite direction, carrying a load of "nitroglycerine" in the rickety old truck; and, driving that same road . . . And, that VERY same scene (and, section of road) was now the "RETURN" direction. . .The first thing that struck ME was the RECOGNITION of the earlier scene and I actually said to myself "They didn't even reverse the image!" but, they are now returning on the same road AND going in the REVERSE direction. ."continuing what I SAW (and, said to myself") was "editing goof!" BEFORE my mind returned to the story being played out on-screen!

Getting back to the original question of THIS thread: "Context" and "perception" are integral to our viewing; and, might be a consideration when we are asked "Which photo is better!"

Think about it! <smile>

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Aug 27, 2022 08:07:06   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BrianFlaherty wrote:
I believe that "context" plays a role in how you descibe a subject photo or scene. Example: last night, I watch an OLD episode of "MacGuyver". . And it involved "Mac" and friend driving a rural dirt road in an old WW II truck. In one scene, they are shown driving downhill on the road, and commenting to each other about the "hairpin turns" and the narrowness of the road with a deep canyon on their left. Later, in the story, they are returning in the opposite direction, carrying a load of "nitroglycerine" in the rickety old truck; and, driving that same road . . . And, that VERY same scene (and, section of road) was now the "RETURN" direction. . .The first thing that struck ME was the RECOGNITION of the earlier scene and I actually said to myself "They didn't even reverse the image!" but, they are now returning on the same road AND going in the REVERSE direction. ."continuing what I SAW (and, said to myself") was "editing goof!" BEFORE my mind returned to the story being played out on-screen!

Getting back to the original question of THIS thread: "Context" and "perception" are integral to our viewing; and, might be a consideration when we are asked "Which photo is better!"

Think about it! <smile>
I believe that "context" plays a role in... (show quote)

I thought about it and concluded that most people would just see him "on a road".

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Aug 27, 2022 08:10:42   #
charlienow Loc: Hershey, PA
 
#2 for me. The gull looks like it is landing...

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Aug 27, 2022 08:25:59   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
This was a great discussion. Made me think since some of the judges from my camera club have given lower scores stating *image should go from left to right* I took several of my images to see how I do and which I like better. I posted it to my camera club...
Here are my images. Can you tell which is the original?











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Aug 27, 2022 08:29:31   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
I see no difference in the photos other than orientation; and, to me, the first one looks more natural: the left-to-right movement.

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Aug 27, 2022 08:30:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
ronichas wrote:
This was a great discussion. Made me think since some of the judges from my camera club have given lower scores stating *image should go from left to right* I took several of my images to see how I do and which I like better. I posted it to my camera club...
Here are my images. Can you tell which is the original?

Does it matter which is the original?
In order of appearance, I prefer left, left, right, right, right.

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Aug 27, 2022 08:33:01   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
If in the photo there was a fish, the bird in photo 1 would be looking forward to a meal. We would first see the bird and then following its gaze see into the positive feeding future. We, the viewer would see the bird first and identify with the bird looking forward. Forward left to right in western cultures same as we read. My guess is that seeing the fish first on the left and identifying with the fish would be emotionally negative for the viewer.

The bird's wings are extended implying motion or the start of motion and from the following..."a bias to present motion from left to right in Western cultures. " Quote taken from first paragraph of page 21 from Art & Perception** (2016) DOI: 10.1163/22134913-00002053. The study examines how directors set up scenes for movies.
https://bertamini.org/lab/Publications/BodeBertaminiHelmy2016.pdf

** The journal, "Art & Perception will serve those across several areas of science studying the way works of art and design affect us perceptually, cognitively, or physiologically. The editors are also keen to receive submissions from practicing artists, and those in related fields of history and theory, which offer an artistic perspective on perception. "
https://brill.com/view/journals/artp/artp-overview.xml

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Aug 27, 2022 08:38:05   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
dpullum wrote:
If in the photo there was a fish, the bird in photo 1 would be looking forward to a meal. We would first see the bird and then following its gaze see into the positive feeding future. We, the viewer would see the bird first and identify with the bird looking forward. Forward left to right in western cultures same as we read.

The bird's wings are extended implying motion or the start of motion and from the following..."a bias to present motion from left to right in Western cultures. " Quote taken from first paragraph of page 21 from Art & Perception (2016) DOI: 10.1163/22134913-00002053. The study examines how directors set up scenes for movies.
https://bertamini.org/lab/Publications/BodeBertaminiHelmy2016.pdf
If in the photo there was a fish, the bird in phot... (show quote)

I thought that was the case.

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Aug 27, 2022 08:38:47   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
Longshadow wrote:
Does it matter which is the original?
In order of appearance, I prefer left, left, right, right, right.


Of course it doesn't matter. I just thought this was a great discussion as my camera club gets ready for the first competition of the year.

You got 3 out of the 5 correct for originals. :)

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Aug 27, 2022 08:41:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
ronichas wrote:
Of course it doesn't matter. I just thought this was a great discussion as my camera club gets ready for the first competition of the year.

You got 3 out of the 5 correct for originals. :)


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Aug 27, 2022 08:42:14   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Bo0mer wrote:
Interesting discussion! I agree with Longshadow in that I seem to notice the bird more, and did not even consider water direction. With that in mind I find the first image more pleasing. Thank you for bringing up an interesting subject!



Interesting! The picture follows the "rule" of not having the "subject" of the picture centered - and the action or intent - should be toward the open space, rather than out of the near side. When I compose or view a picture, I don't think at all about intent, point of entry, eye movement, stressful or relaxing, flow – or anything else. Basically, the ONLY thing I think about is what LOOKS BEST to me!!!

For me, the first picture is by far the better. I generally prefer the open space to be on the right side, but it does depend on the specific picture.

Those things being said – and who knows how much effect it might have – I was born left-handed, but switched over by my parents, such that those things which are natural, I do left, while those which are learned, I do right. And for some, I’m ambidextrous – such as switch hitting or basketball dribbling and shooting. (I could hit for a better average, left, but with more power, right.)

I long have wondered about something else, also. On a motorcycle, it always has been more comfortable laying the bike over hard into a left turn than right.

Again, interesting!!!

Loren – in Beautiful Baguio City

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Aug 27, 2022 08:44:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rlv567 wrote:
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I long have wondered about something else, also. On a motorcycle, it always has been more comfortable laying the bike over hard into a left turn than right.
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I agree.
Right-handed maybe???

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Aug 27, 2022 09:32:18   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
clickety wrote:
There have been discussions about whether we see from left to right or from right to left. Here is an image which after cropping I simply flipped from left to right, I sense it has changed. Do you see the difference and which do you prefer and why. Bonus points if you can tell me which was the original orientation?


I like the first one because I think I prefer left to right orientation. I don't know which was the original though.

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Aug 27, 2022 09:36:45   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
jdubu wrote:
The second image flows to the right along with the direction of water current to me,.


Not sure I understand. The entire image was flipped, not just the bird. The bird “flows with the direction of the water” in either pic. For what it’s worth, I prefer the bird on the right looking left, but cannot explain why. Subjectivity is hard to define. #2 works for me; others may prefer #1. From the replies to date, it seems I am in the minority.

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Aug 27, 2022 10:02:55   #
scallihan Loc: Tigard, OR
 
Longshadow wrote:
It could be subliminal...

Also, movement is usually best into a picture, not out.


👍

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