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Aug 22, 2022 16:37:25   #
gwilliams6
 
rcorne001 wrote:
If one restricts their photography to static subjects, I agree straight out of the camera should (and many times is) be good enough.

However, I do take exception to your over generalization. I shoot action shots in varying light. Most of my outdoor images are pretty good without sharpening. But when I shoot in old gymnasiums or even new ones in which the lighting is poor, it requires a little touch up. The $6K cameras and $12K lenses you so easily dismiss do allow getting shots that might otherwise be missed. My new $6K camera allowed me to shoot in a poorly lit rodeo arena last night. The skies were dark, the sun set and clouds were plentiful. The LCD display looked completely black. I was trying to shoot moving bulls and horses. Believe it or not they do NOT cooperate and stand still so I can drop the shutter speed, ISO and shoot wide open to the extent sharpening and or noise reduction is not needed. In order to freeze the movement, I shot at 1/800th, f2.8 and ISO 12,800. I will need to run the images through noise removal software.

If I were to assume what equipment you are using, what subjects under what conditions I would be just as guilty as you are in making an uninformed statement. More power to you if you are happy with what you get and what you use. But take a step back and don't disparage those who push the limits and readily use some post processing software to get the results closer to what they envisioned. I work darn hard in sometimes less than ideal conditions to get shots I consider acceptable. If it takes some post processing to help so be it.
If one restricts their photography to static subje... (show quote)



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Aug 22, 2022 17:01:01   #
Just Shoot Me Loc: Ithaca, NY
 
After reading everyones comments several of you brought up good points about needing the PP tools that we all work with. I wonder if Ansel Adams felt the same way?


Ron

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Aug 22, 2022 17:01:44   #
61jhawk Loc: Tarrant County, Texas
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


Sound like you never did any darkroom work with printing from film. Read a book about all that Ansel Adams did in the darkroom.

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Aug 22, 2022 17:03:14   #
RayF Loc: New Jersey
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


I have to rely on every tool available to produce a good photo. Most times my skill level is what fails me, but then again I have neither a 6k camera or a 12k lens.

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Aug 22, 2022 17:10:22   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
A good camera is supposed to get you the most information it is capable of. That's all.

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Aug 22, 2022 17:29:44   #
Just Shoot Me Loc: Ithaca, NY
 
61jhawk wrote:
Sound like you never did any darkroom work with printing from film. Read a book about all that Ansel Adams did in the darkroom.


I tried reading a book once, I couldn't figure out where to put the batteries in.

Ron

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Aug 22, 2022 17:57:04   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Just Shoot Me wrote:
Good point, I agree totally. But with wildlife, when the subject moves a leg or a flower blows in the wind...wouldn't you have been better off with manual focus directly on your subject instead of AF? Here we are again depending upon our equipment/software rather than our inherent skills to capture the moment.

Ron


Could you possibly post some of your manual focus BIF shots to show us what you mean? I’m pretty sure nobody on here can nail manual focus as quickly as AF. Especially if you shoot with continuous AF and track the subject. My hand is more likely to be on the zoom ring to change framing as needed. And really, DSLR’s were never designed for manual focus. They lack any of the focus aids found in the focus screens of any film camera. Mirrorless opens up a whole new world for manual focus but not if you’re looking for speed.

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Aug 22, 2022 17:59:51   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
davyboy wrote:
How long does one have to plan the shot? Seconds?


Wildlife, sports/action?: often only seconds, if that
Portraits: At least minutes
Landscapes: Minutes, hours, days, weeks

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Aug 22, 2022 18:15:41   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


There are many reasons that you don’t understand because your style of photography never has those issues. A lot of people here shoot wildlife and wildlife often means long lenses and high shutter speeds. This leads to high ISO’s which lead to noise. This noise can pretty effectively be dealt with in post but the noise can also cause some softness. Also with long lenses heat refraction can be a real problem. Ultimately everything you shoot goes through some sharpening, whether it’s done to a JPEG SOOC or to a raw file during processing its there. Why wouldn’t I want to use the tool that does it best?

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Aug 22, 2022 18:24:40   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
alphonso49uk wrote:
After you take a photo ,there are 2 choices.Either leave it alone or try and improve it. I choose the latter but plenty would disagree...either because they cant be bothered, theyre too busy, or they dont have confidence in getting to grips with modern software. Its a personal choice.
What winds me up are the ones who say....theres a new model out which will take 24 frames per second as opposed to the 10 frames per second Im stuck with now. I need to get it.
If you cant get a bird in flight at 5 frames per second...you need to get another hobby.
After you take a photo ,there are 2 choices.Either... (show quote)


Now that’s rich. You’re ok with the software but dumping on those with better hardware. Why do you even need 5 frames a second? Just snap at exactly the right moment with perfect focus! You know I got a lot of good shots at 5fps. But the 25fps I shoot now gives me more options. It’s amazing what can change in 1/25th of a second. I don’t see any of the pros out there complaining about higher frame rates. They seem pretty happy about them so why shouldn’t I be?

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Aug 22, 2022 18:30:56   #
Just Shoot Me Loc: Ithaca, NY
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Could you possibly post some of your manual focus BIF shots to show us what you mean? I’m pretty sure nobody on here can nail manual focus as quickly as AF. Especially if you shoot with continuous AF and track the subject. My hand is more likely to be on the zoom ring to change framing as needed.


I'd love to but I don't have any because like you said it would be almost inhuman to follow a BIF without AF.
But I didn't specifically mention BIF. I meant more like capturing a still deer or a butterfly landing on a flower.
Something more static than mobile. Nature has more to offer than those great shots of an eagle snatching a fish out of a river. Unless you spray and pray and get reaL lucky it's not going to happen. Just my thoughts, nice to banter with you.

Ron

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Aug 22, 2022 18:31:23   #
williejoha
 
Every now and then pictures posted here are over sharpened and look garish.
A good test is when the standard format for sharpening in Topaz shows NO improvement. As Paul Sager points out so many times here, technique, technique, technique.
WJH

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Aug 22, 2022 18:35:51   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Extreme54 wrote:
When you shoot in poor lightening, have you thought of adjusting your white balance?


I’m not sure what that has to do with sharpness.

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Aug 22, 2022 18:45:46   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Just Shoot Me wrote:
I'd love to but I don't have any because like you said it would be almost inhuman to follow a BIF without AF.
But I didn't specifically mention BIF. I meant more like capturing a still deer or a butterfly landing on a flower.
Something more static than mobile. Nature has more to offer than those great shots of an eagle snatching a fish out of a river. Unless you spray and pray and get reaL lucky it's not going to happen. Just my thoughts, nice to banter with you.

Ron


And I take a lot of nature shots that aren’t BIF. I don’t use extra sharpening on everything but sometimes it’s needed. I might even use it on a still deer, but it’s probably because I was shooting from a kayak and dealing with current, wind and a rocking boat, (try shooting at 600mm from a kayak, that takes skill). As for the eagle snatching a fish, it starts by being aware, understanding the subject so you know it’s getting ready to dive, tracking it through the dive and back up carrying the fish. Yes I’m shooting a burst, but there’s no spray & pray about it!

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Aug 22, 2022 19:58:04   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
I suppose the same question could have been asked of Ansel Adams. He often photographed with a camera using 8" x 10" negatives, which would far exceed any pixels counts of today's cameras. It is also the case that he spent significant time and effort in the darkroom improving the negatives/final prints.

I do not shoot my images to print for sale and therefore have the freedom to do as much or as little post processing as I desire and others can either like my images or not. I failed to grasp why it bothers the OP so much based on the tone of the original post.

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