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Aug 14, 2022 09:00:57   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
GeneinChi wrote:
Trying to compare film to digital is an endless conundrum. There is no “better”. It’s about what makes you happy and gives you satisfaction and pleasure. If you get into the Fujiworld, you can have a mirrorless camera with numerous film simulation settings which do give results similar to the film it is trying to emulate. Kind of gives you the best of both worlds. I have a Nikon F3 and an FE from years ago that I occasionally use as I love the noisy mechanics. Plus, it takes me back to a simpler time and the anticipation of getting pictures back from a lab. And it’s not cheap which is why I use them “occasionally”.
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Aug 14, 2022 09:11:11   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Film is not better.
I use it in my film cameras for something different.
I use all manual ones like a F-1 or FTb. Having to focus, read the meter and adjust shutter and/or aperture (ISO is fixed) then hoping you got it all correct is a good way to remember how far things have come in the past decades.
I do scan them and have posted some here on UHH.


If you really want to shoot film conveniently, use all your EF lenses and enjoy the same Autofocus and automatic metering of a digital body, just pick up an EOS-1N or V. I bought an as new EOS-1N from a local deal for $100. Not only does the AF and all the metering modes work as they would on a digital body, but the film even autoloads and auto rewinds.

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Aug 14, 2022 09:21:53   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
IMO, there are no practical IQ advantages for film until you get up to medium format or larger
and are using ASA 100 speed film. But there can certainly be artistic advantages for film - even in 35mm ....

Yes, it is more expensive and time consuming - but can be pleasurable for some of us - even tho we are still in our right minds ! 8-) ......if it feels good and looks good - Do it ! -- Sometimes it is FUN to stray away from logic.
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Aug 14, 2022 09:29:59   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
TriX wrote:
If you really want to shoot film conveniently, use all your EF lenses and enjoy the same Autofocus and automatic metering of a digital body, just pick up an EOS-1N or V. I bought an as new EOS-1N from a local deal for $100. Not only does the AF and all the metering modes work as they would on a digital body, but the film even autoloads and auto rewinds.


Thx,
But not looking for convenience but the act of doing it all manually.
The feel of winding the film after each shot or remembering you forgot to when pressing the release after metering and composing.
It is a totally different experience and mind set.
Otherwise, yes I could get my EOS film camera and use it, but just not the same.

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Aug 14, 2022 09:32:20   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Strodav wrote:
I think I'm still in my right mind, but I'm going to give it a shot.

I started in film. I love film. I still shoot film in addition to digital. Yes, I shoot a lot more digital than film. My Mamiya 645 1000s is loaded with B&W Tri-X 400. I develop it myself in HC110, scan it on an Epson V500 scanner, take the images into LR and / or PS then print on a Canon Pro-1000 printer. If you scan it at a high enough resolution, it maintains the film's characteristics. Why? Because film is a different creative medium with it's own endearing characteristics. For me, even nostalgic. It's fun to use a completely manual camera with a split prism focusing mechanism and without a metering system. It is not better or worse than digital, just different. No, digital noise is not anywhere near the same as film grain. In a photography club I belonged to back in Illinois, there was (is) a husband and wife team that shoots 4 x 5 and 8 x 10 with antique wooden bellows cameras with both film and glass plates. A well exposed 8 x 10 piece of film is just absolutely amazing to look at.

Why would any serious photographer disparage another photographer who chooses to practice their art and science in a different, older media?
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I don't still have film cameras, but I do have a considered comment! Anyone comparing all these things, with a "one is better than the other, so you're stupid for not seeing that", is the puppy chasing its tail!!! Even if it catches it, what's it going to do??? And did it really enjoy the chase???

I use cameras for a number of reasons, but underlying it all - I enjoy what I'm doing, and the way I'm doing it - and that, for me, is the primary reason, and really should be for everybody, I would think!!! (Of course, I'm not trying to make my living with photography - never have, and never will.) I will say, I am constrained in what I do by economic factors, but that aside, I'm doing what I want - whatever that is - and could not care less about others' thoughts!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Aug 14, 2022 09:38:41   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
rlv567 wrote:
.... Anyone comparing all these things, with a "one is better than the other, so you're stupid for not seeing that", is the puppy chasing its tail!!!


Wait, wait, wait.

That question applies to mirrorless vs DSLR. Anyone that can't see that difference needs to open at least one of their eyes.

You don't even have to open your eyes to tell the difference between film vs digital. One is so 'warm' you can feel the heat from another room.

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Aug 14, 2022 09:45:09   #
Barbonbrown
 
I too use digital and film. Probably get more of my better pictures from digital, but a great deal of pleasure from film plus some excellent pictures too.

Using film means using TLRs, rangefinders, folders, medium format SLRs and LF sheet film cameras, All handle differently, make you think slightly differently, take a different approach, and so give a picture different from what a digital camera would have given.

At the end of the day it's what the photographer includes in the picture and how it affects the viewer that makes an image good or not, so anyone with any sense would try all the approaches available? Or perhaps anyone with sense would perfect their technique in just one medium? You pays your money and takes your choice.

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Aug 14, 2022 09:45:10   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
therwol wrote:
In a recent post, one of our members suggested to someone wanting to try film that they use Kodak Ektar 100 or Portra 400. So my question is what does that get you? The simple answer is color negatives. Perhaps there are still people who print color negatives on their own. Most likely people shooting color negative film are having it scanned at the time of developing by the processing lab. Does this really give you something better than what you get from a good digital camera? I just want to hear some opinions about this. I've scanned thousands of color negatives myself that were taken in the "good old days." The old days for me ended in 2007. My answer is no. Although the best preserved negatives do give good and pleasing results, they can't hold a candle to what I've gotten out of my Nikon D810 and D850 cameras. This is my opinion based on what I'm looking at on my computer screen.
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Different strokes for different folks, therwol. People like to try and enjoy different things, i.e. film. I don't think anyone said it would produce any better photos, it could be just for the enjoyment....also as a hobby? I don't think the object of them using film was to get better results than digital.

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Aug 14, 2022 09:47:24   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Wait, wait, wait.

That question applies to mirrorless vs DSLR. Anyone that can't see that difference needs to open at least one of their eyes.

You don't even have to open your eyes to tell the difference between film vs digital. One is so 'warm' you can feel the heat from another room.


But again --- what I do, and how I do it, is constrained by two factors - what I WANT to do, and whether I can AFFORD it! For me, it's as simple as that!!! (And I never will have a mirrorless - for the second reason!)

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Aug 14, 2022 11:00:59   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
therwol wrote:
Come on. Be nice. I defend you and your sarcasm all of the time. I really want to hear if anyone in their right mind thinks that film is "better" in 2022. I'll concede large format, and that's as far as I'll go.


Not necessarily better. It’s different. To me, film has an organic look about it whereas digital is, well, digital. Yes, both media are manmade creations but the look of film and it’s almost imperceptible imperfections separates it from the cold hard perfection of digital images.

Stan

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Aug 14, 2022 11:15:06   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
StanMac wrote:
Not necessarily better. It’s different. To me, film has an organic look about it whereas digital is, well, digital. Yes, both media are manmade creations but the look of film and it’s almost imperceptible imperfections separates it from the cold hard perfection of digital images.

Stan


The major difference though is to get the full feeling of film is that it must be all analog from start to finished product.
Otherwise scanning it destroys the analog value.
I do scan mine because for me film is used so I can play with my old everything manual film camera.
No esthetic or esoteric reason.

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Aug 14, 2022 11:17:40   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
therwol wrote:
...Most likely people shooting color negative film are having it scanned at the time of developing by the processing lab. Does this really give you something better than what you get from a good digital camera?...


The scans done by the film processors are low quality. They really aren't intended for more than a 4x6 or 5x7 inch print, at most.

Scans we do ourselves, particularly with dedicated film scanners, can be much higher resolution, far better quality and able to make much larger prints. Just look at the scan filess the film lab provides... They are often only a few MB... maybe 5MB or 8MB at most. And they are 8 bit JPEGs. A 16 bit TIFFs done with my film 4000 ppi scanner makes a 130MB file!

There are also even higher quality "drum scans" that you can have done professionally. Those can be 10,000 ppi or higher.

I've seen highly detailed 32x48" enlargements made from 35mm film negs. Those were done by Brett Weston, son of Edward Weston and were black & white, not color. And likely those prints were done with one or more "inter-negatives" rather than a direct enlargement.

Of course, making quality prints from film is a lot of work, a slower process and requires a lot of specialized equipment... and color just isn't practical. In contrast, digital today is incredibly capable and much more practical. I ain't going back to shooting film regularly... but might occasionally shoot some for fun if and when I can set up my darkroom again. Black and white only. I've done color and it's just too much of a pain in the arse.

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Aug 14, 2022 11:53:47   #
BartHx
 
Please define what "better" means in your context. Film and digital are definitely different. I shoot for my own enjoyment and I find both enjoyable. If you do not find one or the other enjoyable you are not required to use it.

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Aug 14, 2022 12:08:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
BartHx wrote:
Please define what "better" means in your context. Film and digital are definitely different. I shoot for my own enjoyment and I find both enjoyable. If you do not find one or the other enjoyable you are not required to use it.



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Aug 14, 2022 12:36:22   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
therwol wrote:
In a recent post, one of our members suggested to someone wanting to try film that they use Kodak Ektar 100 or Portra 400. So my question is what does that get you? The simple answer is color negatives. Perhaps there are still people who print color negatives on their own. Most likely people shooting color negative film are having it scanned at the time of developing by the processing lab. Does this really give you something better than what you get from a good digital camera? I just want to hear some opinions about this. I've scanned thousands of color negatives myself that were taken in the "good old days." The old days for me ended in 2007. My answer is no. Although the best preserved negatives do give good and pleasing results, they can't hold a candle to what I've gotten out of my Nikon D810 and D850 cameras. This is my opinion based on what I'm looking at on my computer screen.
In a recent post, one of our members suggested to ... (show quote)


For me, it does make sense. Sometimes.I can afford to shoot medium format film in one of the cameras leftover from my studio days, have it developed and scanned to a disc when I want the end result to be a large print. I cannot afford a digital medium format camera, nor a digital back for my RB-67.

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