alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ

Canisdirus,
In my question about the 1963 clean air act was to find out how much cleaner we have to be before it "fixes" the problem. You're asking what I was wondering. Also there are too many unknowns as to when was the climate ever in a stable condition. I think we are shooting at a moving target using a BB gun.

Stephan G

The problem with filling the above slots is the same with statistics. Numbers do not provide any direction to accomplish anything.

The one part of the equation missing is the replacing the destroyed forests around the world. This includes the forests in the oceans. When we bought our properties, we planted trees to replace those that were taken out. We panted a yearling one per month for three years on our 3/4 acre property. The trees planted were local trees. We also put in a Fraser fir where there were none. Was over 36 feet tall when we had to sell and move. At our present quarter acre property, we have four loblolly pines that we got from the local extension service almost twenty years ago. We put in about twelve various trees with azalea bushes between them.

The point is that we as a group have to reverse the trend of putting in concrete helter-skelter without putting in trees to replace those torn out to put in the concrete.

toxdoc42

yes adding salt both lowers the freezing point and raises the boiling point, thus works in both directions. Salt could be useful in automobile radiators, if it wasn't so destructive. When I was a kid, there was permanent antifreeze, that which both raised the boiling point and prevented radiators from boiling over as well as lowering freezing point, ethylene glycol, and preventing freezing, and there was summer additive that raise boiling point but would evaporate off, mostly methanol.

Canisdirus

So there we are...

Everyone keen to jump on board the choo choo train of change.

With no solution.

A lot of coin will be made...huge shifts of power...but nothing will be solved.

That's the lie.

It's why the topic is concentrated on...whether enough people believe it or not...keep everyone occupied.
The money is being moved...the politics is being cemented into place.
New alliances are being formed at the brand new money trough.

Except it's all based on a lie.

Stephan G

And propagated by those who want to believe the lie.

There have been others who have been working on the problem going back well over a century. And there are still people who work to change the way one views the problem.

It can be done. It has been done back in the 1960s around Gary, Ind, and up through South Chicago, Ill. The skies at the southern tip of Lake Michigan are no longer red.


There were flags flying the Theta in the 1960s by several groups for the same intent. One of the groups (commune) were intent on zero waste. (I regret not following up with them when I got out of the service.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecology_Flag
https://www.thefarm.org/

polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.

Right on

Canisdirus

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Propagated... by who?

It's a simple truth that has been kept well hidden.

It can be done.

Well...if that's all it takes...saying it to make it so.

It cannot be done...there... I said it.

I await a well reasoned figure on how much reduction it will take.
You can't find the numbers...that's a BIG hint.
The money and power aren't waiting for you to catch up to the reality train...they count on that part.


Yes...global climate change is happening...and it isn't going away...and mankind has heavily contributed to it.
Unless you are a financial dolt...you might want to ask about some details about the solution...BEFORE...you hand over your economic future and well being...and your kids...etc.

You won't get anything but evasion...sort of like your post...nothing personal...but saying...it can be done...is just not enough proof of a solution.

One might also sketch out the plan where China and India fully comply with it all.

If you think about it objectively... is it not obvious to you?

It's a bait and switch...classic stuff...always works.

polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.

I hate to say this however you're preaching to the quire. No one will listen to the voice of reason. All you will get is arguments.

Canisdirus

I'm not interested in any consensus.

Just letting folks know what is really going on here.

It's already set up by the politicians globally...there is no stopping it at this point.

The money shift and drain I mean...it's done...how bad it becomes is unknown.

The important part is...in the end...nothing will be enough to change anything...except power and bank accounts.

Hey...if a person says...okay by me.

Just know what the reality is.

Stephan G

Projection. Nothing more.

polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.

No matter how true it is, the reality is no one really cares.
In the end we will all pay the price.
Thank you for trying.

Canisdirus

Oh...I think few know.

Everyone has been convinced there is a solution...when there isn't.

azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.

The solution is that humanity will adapt to whatever we need to, to survive. Lower standards of living, wars, nuclear attacks, etc., until some cataclysmic event causes our total destruction. Then somewhere, in a galaxy far, far away, lightning will hit a puddle, and wham, the whole thing will start again!

Canisdirus

Yes..in the end...none of it matters.

What's fascinating is that we are the very first people in the history of the world that finally has a grasp on our universe.
How it works...how it began...where it is headed...and what our part in it all is.

Just a hundred years ago...the consensus was we lived in a single galaxy with an empty static universe around us.

Now we know there are 400 BILLION galaxies...and the universe is expanding and accelerating.

We know that if we could magically make everything we see as the universe disappear instantly...everything...
The amount of space and energy that would be removed from the universe would be about... 1%.

99% of the Universe is made up of dark matter and dark energy.

If we poured the ENTIRE universe into a giant bucket everything that we perceive as 'the universe' would be but a bit of pollution film lying on the top of the water...we are that insignificant.

What are we then?

We are lucky is all...we get to at least witness a process that has nothing to do with us...indeed all evidence indicates the universe for our purposes...is 100% pointless.

We are just here...and by a random chance.

The amazing part really is...

In 2 trillion years...there will be stars...there will be galaxies...completely isolated galaxies...unaware of other galaxies due to acceleration. Every galaxy will believe as we did 100 years ago...that we are alone in a singular galaxy. They will all be wrong and never know it.

We will be long gone...no trace...but there will be civilizations none the less...different from us...unaware we ever existed.

It's not about us...and that's okay. We at least get to contemplate it.