Basic Chemistry question
Aug 10, 2022 16:08:09 #
The amount of water on earth is not a constant, but is practically so. The changes are very small. Water is lost (along with other atmospheric components by diffusion into space. Water is 'created' by burning of hydrocarbon fuels and other oxidizing reactions. (The hydrocarbon fuels were 'created' by transformation of many other compounds, including water).
The problem is, as noted, distribution. Some areas have water and some don't. The western areas of the USA have been short of water habitually, while the east has had plentiful water. One of the current problem is preserving the purity of the water for use by humans. That problem is exacerbated where water is scarce, but it is still present in the east. And salt water in arid areas is probably not a good idea because it eventually makes its way into the groundwater.
The problem is, as noted, distribution. Some areas have water and some don't. The western areas of the USA have been short of water habitually, while the east has had plentiful water. One of the current problem is preserving the purity of the water for use by humans. That problem is exacerbated where water is scarce, but it is still present in the east. And salt water in arid areas is probably not a good idea because it eventually makes its way into the groundwater.
Aug 10, 2022 16:14:26 #
gvarner
Loc: Central Oregon Coast
azted wrote:
Thanks for hijacking my thread with your asinine replies!
And so he flares up in his childishly righteous anger.
Aug 10, 2022 16:30:16 #
therwol
Loc: USA
azted wrote:
Interesting article with various situational advice. I had a salt water pool for over ten years (25 total) and never had a problem with high ph. Using chlorine tablets will cause a problem with Chloramines and too much cyanuric acid. Nothing is perfect!
We ended up disconnecting the chlorine generator and went with tablets, but as you say, they are not problem free. Another thing was that algae kept growing in the pool no matter how high the chlorine level. The problem was phosphates, and we were told this was from organic matter blowing into the pool over time (like leaves.) We got some very expensive stuff to get rid of phosphates and it worked.
Aug 10, 2022 17:38:13 #
My solution is to sell the house and pool and get a house without a pool. I’m in the process now.
Aug 10, 2022 17:45:10 #
My solution was to convert the pool to a Koi pond. Much lower maintenance, but you wouldn’t want to “swim with the fish”.
Aug 11, 2022 06:56:39 #
gvarner wrote:
Surface water sources for your pools are drying up because of climate warming. Aquifers are being depleted. The distribution that you need to fill your pools will be taken from someone else until that water is no longer economically available. At some point you’re going to be forced to give up your pool.
Easy to argue that it is a distribution problem - and that there is no less water on earth than eons in the past. All true for sure. But, the "distribution problem" is largely caused by dramatic increases in demands for water where inadequate water exists. Consider the population growth of Las Vegas and the Phoenix area, where a new development for 900,000 people is planned to surround the Superstition Mountains. But oh well, the Romans built giant aqueducts to bring water from where it was plentiful to where people wanted to live. So we can build huge pipelines to bring water from Canada to the swimming pools and golf courses of Nevada and Arizona. And build nuclear power plants to create the power to desalinate the increasing amount of water in the oceans. And yet, no one really wants to discuss the need to change our wants and behaviors - including our behaviors cuasing overpopulation.
Aug 11, 2022 08:02:22 #
sb wrote:
Amen. To those who bring up ancient, ancient history (Ice Age), is it possible that 7+ billion humans on earth now might alter weather patterns and long-term cycles just a wee bit?Easy to argue that it is a distribution problem - ... (show quote)
Aug 11, 2022 08:09:06 #
It doesn't seem to work on The Great Salt Lake as it's low level is such a concern that the high thinkers want to build a pipeline from California to help refill it 🤔🤔🤔.
Aug 11, 2022 08:24:52 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
Amen. To those who bring up ancient, ancient history (Ice Age), is it possible that 7+ billion humans on earth now might alter weather patterns and long-term cycles just a wee bit?
It is said 7+billion humans on earth that are involved in pouring concrete, cutting down forests (especially rain forests), dumping garbage into oceans, and other activities that cause the change in weather patterns. How to remove the Pyramids in Egypt, start by chipping at one corner of said Pyramid.
We are all responsible for the weather changes.
I recall a bunch of us sitting on the banks of Lake Michigan discussing how to move water from heavy rain areas to drought areas. This was over 55 years ago!
Aug 11, 2022 08:58:53 #
I turned my 20k gallon pool into a giant aquarium years ago.
Just let...it...go.
Took 6 months...looked terrible...then poof...crystal clear.
Lilies, turtles, birds, snakes, frogs, fish...plant life...even an occasional small alligator.
Best thing I ever did with a pool.
And we could still swim in it...though the dogs still used it more.
Just let...it...go.
Took 6 months...looked terrible...then poof...crystal clear.
Lilies, turtles, birds, snakes, frogs, fish...plant life...even an occasional small alligator.
Best thing I ever did with a pool.
And we could still swim in it...though the dogs still used it more.
Aug 11, 2022 09:10:20 #
DirtFarmer wrote:
Want to reduce evaporation? Fill the pool with plastic balls. That will reduce the exposed area and the plastic balls will move out of the way when you swim. Or you can include a net to gather them to one corner. Most people only use a pool a few hours a day (although if kids are involved the usage increases).
A good suggestion. Ping pong balls are effectively used in manufacturing situations such as plating baths where evaporation is both costly and a worker health hazard to say nothing of the air pollution potential. The balls easily move out of the way when a part is dipped in, and then cover the fluid back over, once it's lifted out. They keep a heated solution from losing heat so I imagine they would do the same for a heated swimming pool.
Aug 11, 2022 10:04:27 #
gvarner wrote:
Where will you all live when the water is gone? And it will be.
I'll move in with you and Brandon.
Aug 11, 2022 10:21:25 #
gvarner wrote:
My brother-in-law was disabled and had a pool built in his back yard. It had a ramp so he could get his wheelchair in and out. After he passed away my sister had the pool filled with dirt and made a planter out of it.The real solution (pun intended) is to get rid of all those pools. Turn them into rocked xeriscapes.
Aug 11, 2022 10:32:08 #
gvarner wrote:
Surface water sources for your pools are drying up because of climate warming. Aquifers are being depleted. The distribution that you need to fill your pools will be taken from someone else until that water is no longer economically available. At some point you’re going to be forced to give up your pool.
I think of it as climate change not climate warming. Throughout history we have climate change (example: ice age). We go through cycles throughout history.
Aug 11, 2022 10:33:07 #
whatdat wrote:
I think of it as climate change not climate warming. Throughout history we have climate change (example: ice age). We go through cycles throughout history.
Correct
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