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Aug 10, 2022 11:47:48   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
Bridges wrote:
Our military as good as it is doesn't always react to changes very quickly. When I went to VN, we were issued rucksacks from WWII. They were canvas, weighed a ton when wet, and were unsuitable for jungle warfare. Most of us ditched ours and bought lightweight nylon packs from the locals. They were lighter and dried in no time when they got wet. I might understand the use of the canvas packs early in the war, but I didn't get there until 71', and the adoption of the nylon packs was well known by then but the military just kept issuing the canvas packs.
Our military as good as it is doesn't always react... (show quote)


You were issued WWII backpacks in Vietnam and my dad was issued a WWI pack in WWII. His had a bullet hole square in the back with a dinner plate sized brown stain around it. Fortunately he faired better than the previous owner did. Some things just don’t change.

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Aug 10, 2022 11:49:37   #
mindzye Loc: WV
 
There is an item that when working in the heat I found particularly helpful in aiding the body to cope ( and yes, dry heat Is still heat ) is an electrolyte supplement. This is usually found w/ Vit C packet, but is the main ingredients that are designed to help the electrolyte function in the body. When working in 106 literal heat on a residential construction project I supplied each of the crew w/ a box of it. It works within the Neuro-Kinetic / electrical (i.e. nervous) system.
Fyi, it's named the Power Pack from the same company that offers the Emergen C products. What I found is that one will still get tired, but the fatigue that comes w/ heat stress is lessened.
Sometimes you can find it in Wally World, or Amazon, or where I purchase it at Swanson Vitamins. I look for things that actually work - have had major heat distress before - cold chills and panting like a dog. Absolute no energy. Gotta' love the Gulf Coast in the summer.
In an emergency if nothing else in a severe heat injury is available Pedialyte can fill in until you can get medical help.

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Aug 10, 2022 13:03:24   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Burtzy wrote:
The problem is that the world is experiencing a 2+ degree C increase in temperature. That is 35.6+ degrees F. It's why the polar ice caps are calving huge chunks of ice and climate change is so extreme. Air conditioning exacerbates the problem by forcing hot indoor air back outside to cool the interior...(yes it works that way). In effect, mankind is baking itself and this planet to death. To fix the problem for our children and grandchildren will take world-wide political will. I'm afraid there is little out there to do it.
The problem is that the world is experiencing a 2+... (show quote)



2 degrees C does NOT equal 35 degrees F!!!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Aug 10, 2022 13:06:08   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
f8lee wrote:
Well, it's always a good idea to get the government more involved in daily life - after all, they know what's best, right? Look at all the great things more government intrusion has done for our lives!



"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Aug 10, 2022 13:21:13   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Plieku69 wrote:
50 years ago, remember that time? We were just kids and air-conditioning was rare. Few cars had it, most homes and businesses didn't.
How did people survive?
Now we hunker down in ac cooled houses, dash to an ac cooled automobile, rush into an ac cooled store.
If we spend more than 5 minutes outdoors we complain about heatstroke.
We have become a society of coddled whimps.


You're absolutely correct!!! I can't stand heat - yet I lived many years in Fresno, Palm Springs and Phoenix, and as a teenager in 1944, worked haying on the farm in the summer heat (where it wasn't just the heat, but the dust all over you from the hay). Just out of college in 1950, I worked for the Bureau of Reclamation on the construction of Cachuma Dam, in the Santa Ynez Valley. I was hired to be in the lab, but before that was needed, ran survey around the lake site - in the river bottom, where there was high humidity but no wind, hacking our way through the brush - in the heat - poison oak and rattlesnakes. Obviously, I survived, and it was many years before I had air conditioned anything.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Aug 10, 2022 13:58:40   #
JerryOSF Loc: Bristol, VA
 
Burtzy wrote:
The problem is that the world is experiencing a 2+ degree C increase in temperature. That is 35.6+ degrees F. It's why the polar ice caps are calving huge chunks of ice and climate change is so extreme. Air conditioning exacerbates the problem by forcing hot indoor air back outside to cool the interior...(yes it works that way). In effect, mankind is baking itself and this planet to death. To fix the problem for our children and grandchildren will take world-wide political will. I'm afraid there is little out there to do it.
The problem is that the world is experiencing a 2+... (show quote)


A 2 degree C increase would be a 3.6 F degree increase. We have a little math problem here! Another 2 degree C from 2 degrees would equal 4 degrees C or 4 + 3.6, i.e. 7.6F degrees.

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Aug 10, 2022 14:25:03   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
JerryOSF wrote:
A 2 degree C increase would be a 3.6 F degree increase. We have a little math problem here! Another 2 degree C from 2 degrees would equal 4 degrees C or 4 + 3.6, i.e. 7.6F degrees.


He misplaced the decimal point (as well as getting the result in error). 2 degrees C = 3.6 degrees F; that is correct. But I don't understand the rest of your calculations! If you want 4 degrees C, that would be twice as much in F, or 7.2 degrees.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Aug 10, 2022 14:28:24   #
DRam11 Loc: Polson, MT
 
People react differently to heat. Maybe age has something to do with it, but heat gets to me more and more. Mowing the lawn in 80 degree heat is about the limit now. 55 years ago working in a gravel pit in temperatures up to 100 was uncomfortable, but bearable.

Shoveling snow in zero temperatures with a light jacket is no problem as long as my hands and ears are warm.

It's always been the case that if I'm comfortable, everyone else in the family is cold, If they are comfortable, I'm sweating.

That said, employers should take working conditions into account. Heat stroke is nothing to ignore, and on top of that, a comfortable employee is more likely to be a productive employee.

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Aug 10, 2022 14:30:24   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
DRam11 wrote:
People react differently to heat. Maybe age has something to do with it, but heat gets to me more and more. Mowing the lawn in 80 degree heat is about the limit now. 55 years ago working in a gravel pit in temperatures up to 100 was uncomfortable, but bearable.

Shoveling snow in zero temperatures with a light jacket is no problem as long as my hands and ears are warm.

It's always been the case that if I'm comfortable, everyone else in the family is cold, If they are comfortable, I'm sweating.
People react differently to heat. Maybe age has s... (show quote)


I'm with you! - at whatever age!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Aug 10, 2022 15:26:15   #
worldcycle Loc: Stateline, Nevada
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
I kind of have the mindset of Blaster. I’m not saying that jerry and gmont didn’t make good points, but I’m 66 and work outside in the heat. Lately I’ve been sweating like a horse while carpentering, withstood least two shirts drying on the line while I sweat up a third. I think much of it depends upon being acclimated. My kids ask me why I don’t run the AC and I tell them that if the Amish can make it without even a window fan, then I can make it with one.

Jerry, if you want something to rant about, how about the idiot parents who “forget “ their kids in the car in the heat. On the news they suggested that you put your cell phone in the back seat with you kid because you won’t forget your phone. Ok, you won’t forget your phone but you will forget your kid???
I kind of have the mindset of Blaster. I’m not say... (show quote)

That’s why the reminder screen on my Subaru warns me to “Check the Back Seat” when I shut down after driving. Stupid reminders to protect stupid people from themselves. You stupid, you screw up, you die. The world would ultimately be a better place.

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Aug 10, 2022 16:23:25   #
lbrande
 
rlv567 wrote:
2 degrees C does NOT equal 35 degrees F!!!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


2 degrees C is 35.6 degrees F...2*(9/5)+32

However...a 2 Degree C increase is 3.6 Degrees F



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Aug 10, 2022 17:27:54   #
pauken Loc: Minneapolis MN
 
Here is a link from Scientific American: Why Extreme Heat is So Deadly
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-extreme-heat-is-so-deadly/

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Aug 10, 2022 17:43:43   #
clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa
 
rlv567 wrote:
2 degrees C does NOT equal 35 degrees F!!!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


But it makes the story much more interesting.

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Aug 10, 2022 17:46:30   #
tomc601 Loc: Gilbert, AZ
 
I'm amazed at workers who work outside in the desert in the middle of the summer. Construction workers, landscapers, first responders, et. al. And to protect themselves from the sun they wear long sleeves and long pants and hats. I had tires put on the car yesterday and the garage bays at Discount Tire are not air conditioned, just fans. But somehow they get through it. I guess you can get used to anything. Working indoors in AZ is a different story. If you go shopping or to a movie or a restaurant, bring a sweater. Might be 110 outside, inside you can hang meat.

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Aug 10, 2022 20:55:06   #
SteveFranz Loc: Durham, NC
 
Read "Under the Red Sea Sun" by Rear Admiral Edward Ellsberg. He was a WWII Navy Salvage expert, assigned to open a strategic port on the Red Sea @ Eritrea. No equipment, minimal manpower, sub standard housing & food, daily temperatures 100+, cooling off at night to 90+, high humidity and no AC, no fans.

He was able to open the port and begin repairing Allied ships despite all the adversities.

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