RiJoRi wrote:
... If you're _not_ happy with it, then what does it matter what others' opinions are? --Rich
A comment to Fran, based on the quoted sentence of Rich's:
For those of us undertaking new processing, or new subjects (such as first-time still life or studio portraiture), or really any photography related tasks, sometimes we can't pinpoint what we aren't happy with. In that case, it can be hugely valuable to have the input of others.
When considering the advice or observations of others, if you aren't familiar with a user's work, just click on their user name and view some of their topics. This will help you determine whether their style, skill level and interests can translate to something of value for you.
Lastly, regarding ideas for conversion to b&w, you could share a high-resolution color shot (
un-edited), or use free dropbox to place a raw file, so that others can edit. Best section to do this is probably
Post Processing.
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Ben's nana wrote:
Thanks for your input Rich. As far as B&W, i struggle with concept of tonality. I don't know if I really get it. . I'm not sure who I'm trying to please. I will edit a picture and I like it...go back to it at a later point and through my hands up. I guess that's insecurity in what I'm doing. It is much easier in color!
Fran
This is often seen in artists (being married to one!) – going back and saying "How _could_ I have missed that? Gotta fix it!" 😊 What is needed is either the strength to say, "It's not perfect, but it _is_ good", or have a trusted friend to tell you that.
HTH,
--Rich
I like this - you could possibly lighten the shadows a bit so that the items inside the open part of the building would be visible.
Linda From Maine wrote:
A comment to Fran, based on the quoted sentence of Rich's:
For those of us undertaking new processing, or new subjects (such as first-time still life or studio portraiture), or really any photography related tasks, sometimes we can't pinpoint what we aren't happy with. In that case, it can be hugely valuable to have the input of others.
When considering the advice or observations of others, if you aren't familiar with a user's work, just click on their user name and view some of their topics. This will help you determine whether their style, skill level and interests can translate to something of value for you.
Lastly, regarding ideas for conversion to b&w, you could share a high-resolution color shot (
un-edited), or use free dropbox to place a raw file, so that others can edit. Best section to do this is probably
Post Processing.
.
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Thanks for the advise, Linda. I will definitely look into that
Fran
SueScott wrote:
I like this - you could possibly lighten the shadows a bit so that the items inside the open part of the building would be visible.
Thanks. I'm glad you liked it and thank you for the suggestion
Fran
gmontjr2350 wrote:
It's a very nice picture! If it were me, I would try to open up the shadows a bit in the right-side entry/garage/??.
George
George thanks for the compliment and your input. I see what you mean about the entry shadow
Fran
R.G. wrote:
When changing over from colour to B&W, one of the differences that you need to come to terms with is that B&W frequently (but not always) needs more contrast. However, when you use the Contrast slider, one of the things you have to watch for is the dark areas becoming too solid and impenetrable and/or too large. That can be countered up to a point with the Blacks and Shadows sliders. You may also find that the bright areas become too harsh and the highlights can get pushed into saturation (i.e. blown highlights). The Whites and Highlights sliders can alleviate that (up to a point).
The haloing around the tree line in the sky suggests that you're already using quite a lot of Clarity (or possibly that the image is an HDR merge, or it has a Picture Control profile baked in - which is often the case with SOOC jpegs). The best approach is to make Contrast adjustments as described above and make that the main way to add contrast. The Clarity slider should be left to the end for minor tweaking.
Another possibility is to add contrast via selections and avoid including the problem areas as described above. Alternatively you could add the correcting adjustments via selections. In your picture the area inside the shed is already plenty dark and you could select that area to lift the shadows a little. You could also select any problem bright areas and give them their own corrective adjustments for similar reasons. That frees you to add more overall contrast to the rest of the image.
It's very often the case that global adjustments can be pushed further if you can mitigate the unwanted effects that the pushing produces. That way you can get more of what you do want and less of what you don't want. There's more than one way to apply corrective adjustments, some of which are described above.
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Thank you, that is a lot of information I will need to process. Do you suggest coverting to B&W initially in Raw and then into PS for tweaking?
Fran
Ben's nana wrote:
....Do you suggest converting to B&W initially in Raw and then into PS for tweaking?
Fran
Yes. The raw file gives you a clean start. But beware of raw converters that try to impose Picture Control profiles. I believe that Adobe's ACR allows you to adjust how bright the individual colours are rendered when you convert to B&W, which can be useful. And don't forget that raw files need sharpening (and possibly denoise) in post processing.
RiJoRi wrote:
This is often seen in artists (being married to one!) – going back and saying "How _could_ I have missed that? Gotta fix it!" 😊 What is needed is either the strength to say, "It's not perfect, but it _is_ good", or have a trusted friend to tell you that.
HTH,
--Rich
Rich, thank you for that. I do have a tendency of being my own worst critic
Fran
joehel2 wrote:
Beautifully done, Fran.
Joe thanks so much for the compliment
Fran
R.G. wrote:
Yes. The raw file gives you a clean start. But beware of raw converters that try to impose Picture Control profiles. I believe that Adobe's ACR allows you to adjust how bright the individual colours are rendered when you convert to B&W, which can be useful. And don't forget that raw files need sharpening (and possibly denoise) in post processing.
Thank you again...I so appreciate it. I will definitely apply your suggestions on my next edit
Fran
I'm told that I tend to get things too dark. But when I lighten them up, they look pale to me. I guess it's how we see the world! Anyway, I like your image as is.
AzPicLady wrote:
I'm told that I tend to get things too dark. But when I lighten them up, they look pale to me. I guess it's how we see the world! Anyway, I like your image as is.
Thanks, glad you liked it. And yes it is a matter of personal taste
Fran
Very nice. Conveys a sense of an artisan of the time.
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