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Jul 21, 2022 08:26:31   #
Schoee Loc: Europe
 
fourlocks wrote:
That's interesting and it shows how things have changed since I was in the army. I was on a 105mm howitzer battalion (Korean war vintage equipment). The tow arms of the howitzer ended in spades that had to be buried in the ground in order to absorb the recoil and keep the gun in the same spot. It often took a lot of work to dig the two holes for them and I can't image the gun crew would have been very happy to go through all that work to fire one round.


Probably fire for one or two minutes then go. Maybe 6 rounds? Would prefer the HIMARS like US has just given to Ukraine

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Jul 21, 2022 08:32:56   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Wes wrote:
artillery. There is a reward observer who indicted where the projectile is landing. The artillery "brackets" the target and the observe indicates the results. Field of fire is the clear range a machine gun can cover.


The Ukrainians quickly developed the use of drones to be safely and rapidly deployed to serve as forward observers. Now the Chinese are helping the Russians with technology to pinpoint the source of the radio signals controlling the drones, allowing the Russians to quickly direct artillery or missile fire to that location. It's a whole new world in such warfare.

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Jul 21, 2022 10:29:41   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
Scruples wrote:
To all who are or were in the military, I thank you for your service.
When Hurricane Sandy hit NY, I was working at Bellevue Hospital. The five branches of the Armed Forces came in to help evacuate patients. Even though the uniforms were different in color and style, they all performed seamlessly. I spent time being bunked up with the Coasties. There is a code of conduct that is followed and enforced.


Your welcome mate, Always Semper Paratus!

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Jul 21, 2022 11:26:03   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
Scruples wrote:
To all who are or were in the military, I thank you for your service.
When Hurricane Sandy hit NY, I was working at Bellevue Hospital. The five branches of the Armed Forces came in to help evacuate patients. Even though the uniforms were different in color and style, they all performed seamlessly. I spent time being bunked up with the Coasties. There is a code of conduct that is followed and enforced.


Okay some of you out there will get their knickers in a bunch with what I am about to say.

There are only three true branches of the military. Why do I say this, If you look at the emblem of the Marine Corps that sits behind the Commandant of my beloved Corps, it says United States Marine Corps Department of the Navy. The Marine corps does not require the approval of congress to go to a conflict, they can go on the president say so that is why they have been called the presidents own. The Coast Guard (Coasties) are part of the DOT or what ever they are called now days and can be Federalized for Armed conflict by congress.

So in reality there is only three true military branches as authorized by congress. I know this is splitting hairs but everyone should be aware of the true military hierarchy

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Jul 21, 2022 12:01:17   #
nealbralley Loc: Kansas
 
Artillery is the “King of Battle.”

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Jul 21, 2022 13:48:13   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
fourlocks wrote:
That's interesting and it shows how things have changed since I was in the army. I was on a 105mm howitzer battalion (Korean war vintage equipment). The tow arms of the howitzer ended in spades that had to be buried in the ground in order to absorb the recoil and keep the gun in the same spot. It often took a lot of work to dig the two holes for them and I can't image the gun crew would have been very happy to go through all that work to fire one round.


I knew a few artillery types and if they were firing only one shot they wouldn't bother burying the spades because who cares if the gun shifts. Just get out of the way, fire, hook up and move.

Some of the self propelled artillery pieces have the same type of stabilizer system as a tank and can fire while moving.

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Jul 21, 2022 14:20:48   #
polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.
 
On the downside. If you're position is about to be overrun by the enemy. You load a Willie Pete round set for 2 seconds out of the barrel. Pull the trails out to the sides. The tube goes straight up. Pull the cord and pray.

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Jul 21, 2022 14:49:22   #
Abo
 
John7199 wrote:
I did not serve so I am asking for my own info.
In movies and TV when shooting artillery it seem that they fire on the same place over and over, they don't seem to move the gun. Do the shells hit different targets? Is this what's meant by Field of fire?
Thanks
John


In broad brush strokes; The gunners are given an elevation and bearing... when those are set
the order is given to fire. The projectile is sent to its target.
Another round is loaded and again the same bearing and elevation is set. The projectile
goes to the same place... more or less... more if the target is close, less if the target is far away.

In another life I was a Gunner in the Royal Australian Artillery.
My job as a "number 2" (Yeah very funny) was to set the elevation
and yank the rope that made the 105mm howitzer go KARBLAM.

I saw no active duty, and have never left Australia...
My major goals were girls and getting stoned... I was a pretty crap soldier.
So please don't say "thanks for your service".

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Jul 21, 2022 17:43:30   #
Schoee Loc: Europe
 
Abo wrote:
In broad brush strokes; The gunners are given an elevation and bearing... when those are set
the order is given to fire. The projectile is sent to its target.
Another round is loaded and again the same bearing and elevation is set. The projectile
goes to the same place... more or less... more if the target is close, less if the target is far away.

In another life I was a Gunner in the Royal Australian Artillery.
My job as a "number 2" (Yeah very funny) was to set the elevation
and yank the rope that made the 105mm howitzer go KARBLAM.

I saw no active duty, and have never left Australia...
My major goals were girls and getting stoned... I was a pretty crap soldier.
So please don't say "thanks for your service".
b In broad brush strokes /b ; The gunners are giv... (show quote)


I suspect you were a better soldier than you say.

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Jul 21, 2022 21:06:44   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
I admit to not reading everything so maybe covered but as I read the OP it is asking why in movies they don't seem to adjust the elevation or windage ever, just keep firing.

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Jul 21, 2022 22:47:10   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
LDB415 wrote:
I admit to not reading everything so maybe covered but as I read the OP it is asking why in movies they don't seem to adjust the elevation or windage ever, just keep firing.


It is a movie, and connections to real life are rather iffy. I am 76 and remember the westerns where you almost never saw anyone reload but those Colts just kept shooting like they owned the ammo factory. In some, they never even depicted anyone cocking a single action. Just shooting.

In some of the best war movies, esp after the 60s & 70s some of the best directors discovered the almost dance-like coordination of a good gun crew and started showing it in some scenes. I remember one where they even put in the sounds of the breech blocks etc. and the ring of spent shell casings hitting each other or the ground. In that scene, you also heard the commands yelled and saw the guns' muzzles move as they adjusted.

The movie "The Light Horsemen" made a big deal of range adjustments for artillery, machine guns and riflemen when the Australian Mounted Infantry failed to dismount and attack on foot as doctrine called for. Instead, they went into a flat-out running charge on horseback and when the Ottoman troops and their German advisors mostly kept to the standard adjustments based on troops charging on foot the result was for much of the last 1000 yards or so they were mostly shooting over the Australians' heads. This allowed the Aussies to get in among them with many more troopers than would usually make it, and capture the town.

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Jul 21, 2022 23:40:19   #
Abo
 
Schoee wrote:
I suspect you were a better soldier than you say.


I did win a bong smoking competition.
I used tequila instead of water and was awarded extra points for "degree of stupidity".

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Jul 22, 2022 09:30:11   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
marine73 wrote:
Okay some of you out there will get their knickers in a bunch with what I am about to say.

There are only three true branches of the military. Why do I say this, If you look at the emblem of the Marine Corps that sits behind the Commandant of my beloved Corps, it says United States Marine Corps Department of the Navy. The Marine corps does not require the approval of congress to go to a conflict, they can go on the president say so that is why they have been called the presidents own. The Coast Guard (Coasties) are part of the DOT or what ever they are called now days and can be Federalized for Armed conflict by congress.

So in reality there is only three true military branches as authorized by congress. I know this is splitting hairs but everyone should be aware of the true military hierarchy
Okay some of you out there will get their knickers... (show quote)



You are only partly correct, Coast Guard since 911 is now part of Homeland Security, when fightins to be done they fall under the Command n Control of the navy. They have been envolved in every skirmish since her inception.
They have military rank, fall under the UCMJ so I would guess that would make them military. Federalized geez.....not.....

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Jul 22, 2022 10:05:22   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
Najataagihe wrote:
Nickname for an artilleryman.

The noblest soldier, of course, is the “groundpounder” - the Infantryman.


SF


(Barrage to follow…)


SF

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Jul 22, 2022 10:22:02   #
Najataagihe
 
Why is SF in my quoted post?

I don't eat snakes!

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