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Jul 20, 2022 11:10:29   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Haenzel wrote:
Dennis, what is it you and many other global warming deniers are so afraid of? The truth?

The vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent!!!!! – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. You, as an amateur poster on a photographic forum, have a different view. How???
Is science an abstract thing for you?

If so, open your eyes and observe in person what effects climate change has on the environment, especially in the last decades...I repeat, the last decades!!!

I know temperatures have been fluctuating over, and I quote you, billions of years..I also know a decade exists of only 10 years....
Dennis, what is it you and many other global warm... (show quote)


You proclaim your mindless zealotry by spouting the 97% talking point lie. You should get more up to speed with your so-called theory of climate change. That claim has been debunked as nonsense for many many years now.

How is pollution defined? CO2 is Not pollution. It is plant food that the Brazilian rain forests need to keep growing. CO2 has become the biggest politicized lie of science since the advent of 72 genders.

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Jul 20, 2022 11:28:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Haenzel wrote:
Transition will be near impossible without proper infrastucture, I agree..There is work to be done in the US!
The benefit of solar panels is you can run your air conditioning on hot sunny days without stressing the power net, same for sunny cold days. PV systems connected to bad infrastructure wil shutdown when voltage gets too high.. I think for the US it would be better to create smaller power nets and add power storage locally. It's a challenge but that's life.


I suspect the entire country would at some point welcome to be away from fossil fuels. But the problem IS, America is nowhere near ready to do that yet. Perhaps in 25+ years we would be when some other WORKABLE form of energy is available. But that is not now even though the Left is doing its best to push that upon us. America is not filled with clouds of pollution as it was during the 1960's in big cities such as Los Angeles. Our air now is pretty clean and certainly is livable. AFTER some other form of energy is found that is not the dangerous batteries now found in automobiles I am all for getting away from fossil fuels. But until that day comes these fossil fuels should be used right here in America. America should also go back to energy independent as we were headed under President Trump. With oil beneath our feet why on earth would America ever depend upon foreign countries to keep our vehicles filled with fuel. We could have our own cheap gasoline and natural gas. Why is the Left so against that? Why is our President going to Saudi Arabia and begging for more oil? We HAVE oil here already.

Dennis

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Jul 20, 2022 12:33:38   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
Fotoartist wrote:
You proclaim your mindless zealotry by spouting the 97% talking point lie. You should get more up to speed with your so-called theory of climate change. That claim has been debunked as nonsense for many many years now.

How is pollution defined? CO2 is Not pollution. It is plant food that the Brazilian rain forests need to keep growing. CO2 has become the biggest politicized lie of science since the advent of 72 genders.


Even if it's 80%..doesn't matter. Don't use the assumption of wrong figures as a claim climate change is not happening. That's too easy..

I didn't speak about pollution, although this is a problem as well.
What I know and what I've learned 40 years ago is that CO2 is adding to global warming due to the green house effect. I can give you plenty examples of proof the earth is warming up rapidly. Can you give me some proof that contradicts this, that temperatures are lowering or at least stable? I don't think so...

Facts are facts. For fairy tales you have to visit the "Efteling". (Very nice entertainment park by the way..)

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Jul 20, 2022 12:50:09   #
Captryan Loc: Massachusetts
 
Where does that 97% number come from? I've seen it used before, but never seen a link to a reference or study.

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Jul 20, 2022 12:58:37   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Haenzel wrote:
Even if it's 80%..doesn't matter. Don't use the assumption of wrong figures as a claim climate change is not happening. That's too easy..

I didn't speak about pollution, although this is a problem as well.
What I know and what I've learned 40 years ago is that CO2 is adding to global warming due to the green house effect. I can give you plenty examples of proof the earth is warming up rapidly. Can you give me some proof that contradicts this, that temperatures are lowering or at least stable? I don't think so...

Facts are facts. For fairy tales you have to visit the "Efteling". (Very nice entertainment park by the way..)
Even if it's 80%..doesn't matter. Don't use the as... (show quote)


Perfect. Your information comes from 40 years ago, just 6 years after scientists were telling us that "global cooling" would doom the world. Maybe you should take into account how that hot yellow ball in the sky goes through cycles.

You say, "Even if it's 80%...", you are so sucked in. It is not even 40% of scientists who believe this political science and that is because of Liberal politics and financial incentives. The "greenhouse effect" for climate change has been debunked by most serious scientists. There simply is no proof that CO2 is causing climate change. And there is convincing evidence that it is not.

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Jul 20, 2022 13:07:54   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Perfect. Your information comes from 40 years ago, just 6 years after scientists were telling us that "global cooling" would doom the world. Maybe you should take into account how that hot yellow ball in the sky goes through cycles.

You say, "Even if it's 80%...", you are so sucked in. It is not even 40% of scientists who believe this political science and that is because of Liberal politics and financial incentives. The "greenhouse effect" for climate change has been debunked by most serious scientists. There simply is no proof that CO2 is causing climate change. And there is convincing evidence that it is not.
Perfect. Your information comes from 40 years ago,... (show quote)


I know all about the sun's 11 years cycle. I also know temperatures would lower during / after the latest solar minimum. You guessed it....it didn't.
Where is your source only 40 % of specialized scientists confirm global warming? Where is your source CO2 is not adding to global warming? Believe me, I'll take those sources down, one finger in the nose...

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Jul 20, 2022 13:13:13   #
srg
 
travelwp wrote:
Climate change is not global.

Biden wants to declare a climate emergency and evidently it only effects the United States.

How do we know this, well check this out: The Udangudi plant is one of nearly 200 coal-fired power stations under construction in Asia, including 95 in China, 28 in India and 23 in Indonesia.

If Climate Change was a global problem, Biden would constantly mention China and India in his press releases, but SILENCE. If it were global, Biden would have visited China and India to complain about the 200 gas fired plants.

Surely Biden wouldn't declare a Climate Emergency just to punish Americans with more taxes and higher costs at the pump ?
Climate change is not global. br br Biden wants t... (show quote)


News Flash!
Stupidity will stop global warming in its tracks.
Buy North Face stock now.

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Jul 20, 2022 14:01:37   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Haenzel wrote:
I know all about the sun's 11 years cycle. I also know temperatures would lower during / after the latest solar minimum. You guessed it....it didn't.
Where is your source only 40 % of specialized scientists confirm global warming? Where is your source CO2 is not adding to global warming? Believe me, I'll take those sources down, one finger in the nose...


First, it's incumbent upon you to prove your phony 97% figure that you have relied on for so many years without checking it out and which has no basis in fact.

My source for the non-effect of increased CO2 in causing global warming comes from the Vostock Ice Cores. The evidence shows a rise in CO2 comes AFTER a warming period, not before and certainly doesn't cause it, look it up.

I’m always troubled by arguments that begin, “Everybody agrees…” or “Everyone knows…” or, "The science is settled". In fact, there is a good deal of dissent in the scientific world about the theory of man-made global warming. A large (and growing) segment of those who study such things are questioning some of the basic premises of the theory. And you don't hear about them in the main stream media or even on Google. Why not? Again, this is a big deal, and we should have the best information and opinion from the best minds. Why no honest and televised debate from both sides?

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Jul 20, 2022 14:04:50   #
SuneBonobo Loc: Maryland
 
Fotoartist wrote:
First, it's incumbent upon you to prove your phony 79% figure that you have relied on for so many years without checking it out which you can't and which says a lot about your research.

My source for the non-effect of CO2 on global warming comes from the Vostock Ice Cores, look it up.

I’m always troubled by arguments that begin, “Everybody agrees…” or “Everyone knows…” or, "The science is settled". In fact, there is a good deal of dissent in the scientific world about the theory of man-made global warming. A large (and growing) segment of those who study such things are questioning some of the basic premises of the theory. And you don't hear about them in the main stream media or even on Google. Why not? Again, this is a big deal, and we should have the best information and opinion from the best minds.
First, it's incumbent upon you to prove your phony... (show quote)


https://www.wsj.com/articles/joseph-bast-and-roy-spencer-the-myth-of-the-climate-change-97-1401145980

That 97% nonsense has been debunked for years.

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Jul 20, 2022 15:11:20   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
Fotoartist wrote:
My source for the non-effect of increased CO2 in causing global warming comes from the Vostock Ice Cores. The evidence shows a rise in CO2 comes AFTER a warming period, not before and certainly doesn't cause it, look it up.


I know the theory, however it is not as black and white as it seems. I quote:

"This statement does not tell the whole story. The initial changes in temperature during this period are explained by changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun, which affects the amount of seasonal sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface. In the case of warming, the lag between temperature and CO2 is explained as follows: as ocean temperatures rise, oceans release CO2 into the atmosphere. In turn, this release amplifies the warming trend, leading to yet more CO2 being released. In other words, increasing CO2 levels become both the cause and effect of further warming. This positive feedback is necessary to trigger the shifts between glacials and interglacials as the effect of orbital changes is too weak to cause such variation. Additional positive feedbacks which play an important role in this process include other greenhouse gases, and changes in ice sheet cover and vegetation patterns."

I have no doubt increasing CO2 levels (and other gasses) are disturbing the planet. The green house effect can very easily be explained and reproduced.

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Jul 20, 2022 15:12:32   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
Fotoartist wrote:
I’m always troubled by arguments that begin, “Everybody agrees…” or “Everyone knows…” or, "The science is settled". In fact, there is a good deal of dissent in the scientific world about the theory of man-made global warming. A large (and growing) segment of those who study such things are questioning some of the basic premises of the theory. And you don't hear about them in the main stream media or even on Google. Why not? Again, this is a big deal, and we should have the best information and opinion from the best minds. Why no honest and televised debate from both sides?
I’m always troubled by arguments that begin, “Ever... (show quote)


I'm all in!!!

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Jul 20, 2022 15:18:22   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
First, it's incumbent upon you to prove your phony 97% figure that you have relied on for so many years without checking it out and which has no basis in fact.

My source for the non-effect of increased CO2 in causing global warming comes from the Vostock Ice Cores. The evidence shows a rise in CO2 comes AFTER a warming period, not before and certainly doesn't cause it, look it up.

I’m always troubled by arguments that begin, “Everybody agrees…” or “Everyone knows…” or, "The science is settled". In fact, there is a good deal of dissent in the scientific world about the theory of man-made global warming. A large (and growing) segment of those who study such things are questioning some of the basic premises of the theory. And you don't hear about them in the main stream media or even on Google. Why not? Again, this is a big deal, and we should have the best information and opinion from the best minds. Why no honest and televised debate from both sides?
First, it's incumbent upon you to prove your phony... (show quote)


CO2 absorbs infrared energy. Nitrogen and oxygen do not. So it makes sense that more CO2 would increase the temperature of at least the atmosphere.

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Jul 20, 2022 15:27:28   #
slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again
 
Texcaster wrote:
The desire to not pass on a basket case, clapped-out planet AND be blamed for it is strong. It's an industry.

Micro plastics in the air, the water, the food and now us are not the fault of Jesus or geological time ... it is us.

Microplastics pollution has been detected in human blood for the first time, with scientists finding the tiny particles in almost 80% of the people tested.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/24/microplastics-found-in-human-blood-for-first-time
The desire to not pass on a basket case, clapped-o... (show quote)


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Jul 20, 2022 17:11:44   #
srg
 
Fotoartist wrote:
You proclaim your mindless zealotry by spouting the 97% talking point lie. You should get more up to speed with your so-called theory of climate change. That claim has been debunked as nonsense for many many years now.

How is pollution defined? CO2 is Not pollution. It is plant food that the Brazilian rain forests need to keep growing. CO2 has become the biggest politicized lie of science since the advent of 72 genders.


You are a good artist.
You should stick with that.
Climate change is beyond our pay grade.

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Jul 20, 2022 17:39:36   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
srg wrote:
Stupidity will stop global warming in its tracks.


Nope, all STUPIDITY wants to do is declare a Climate emergency so he can satisfy his lefties.

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