"Thee" or "Thuh"?
Jul 13, 2022 02:37:30 #
kymarto wrote:
There may be no 'right', but as several elementary teachers told me (each several times) there is correct. I didn't realize it until I read the The section of the linked page, but I have always used 'the' in the same way as the OP; Thee apple, thuh house. Go figure.There is no right. There is regional dialect.
Jul 13, 2022 06:45:10 #
jerryc41 wrote:
I have always said "Thee apple" and "Thee ocean." Lately, more and more people are saying "Thuh apple" and "Thuh ocean." That's incorrect, but it seems like it's becoming a trend. I don't hear people say, "A apple" or "A ocean," so why can't they get "the" right?
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That would be AN Apple and AN Ocean.....A,E,I,O,U preceded with AN, not A :)
Jul 13, 2022 06:57:28 #
SteveR wrote:
When you're going down to NYC, do you say that you're going to "thee city?"
It's "thee" before a vowel.
Jul 13, 2022 06:58:33 #
OnDSnap wrote:
That would be AN Apple and AN Ocean.....A,E,I,O,U preceded with AN, not A :)
Right. So why can't they follow that rule with the word "the"?
Jul 13, 2022 07:32:02 #
jerryc41 wrote:
I have always said "Thee apple" and "Thee ocean." Lately, more and more people are saying "Thuh apple" and "Thuh ocean." That's incorrect, but it seems like it's becoming a trend. I don't hear people say, "A apple" or "A ocean," so why can't they get "the" right?
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Having grown up in the Midwest, Chicago, I mainly use "thuh". "Thee" is for emphasis, when I think of it.
For the longest time, "correct" pronunciation was the standard of that Midwest for the talking heads on television. "Closest to the dictionary pronunciation". (One of the reasons I have seen is that it is dependent on breathing when speaking.)
As I recall, the rule for articles preceding vowels is to use "an".
Although usage has been homogenized due to the prevalence of the Internet, pronunciation still devolve to dialects in use in the environs.
All above "the", I have mentally pronounced as "thuh". I'm still working on "Doh".
Jul 13, 2022 08:05:09 #
Stephan G wrote:
Having grown up in the Midwest, Chicago, I mainly ... (show quote)
Yes, "D'oh!" is a classic.
Jul 13, 2022 08:25:08 #
Jul 13, 2022 08:27:22 #
randave2001 wrote:
https://www.theclassroom.com/english-pronunciation-rules-5761661.html
Thanks for sharing “thuh” link.😊
Jul 13, 2022 09:26:45 #
One of the unfortunate aspects of American english is that if it is used often enough and long enough, even though it may not be correct, it becomes accepted as proper english.
Example: I am 76 yrs old and ever since I can remember the word was 'preventive'. Now, due to long misuse, most dictionaries give 'preventative' as an alternate pronunciation.
Example: I am 76 yrs old and ever since I can remember the word was 'preventive'. Now, due to long misuse, most dictionaries give 'preventative' as an alternate pronunciation.
Jul 13, 2022 09:34:15 #
Jul 13, 2022 09:40:55 #
Kozan
Loc: Trenton Tennessee
jerryc41 wrote:
I have always said "Thee apple" and "Thee ocean." Lately, more and more people are saying "Thuh apple" and "Thuh ocean." That's incorrect, but it seems like it's becoming a trend. I don't hear people say, "A apple" or "A ocean," so why can't they get "the" right?
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The elementary school here is teaching "thuh". In reality, when you ask someone to hand you the book, don't you pronounce it thuh book?
I didn't like it either when I was helping 1st graders with their reading!
Jul 13, 2022 09:43:46 #
Good morning Jerry,
I couldn't agree more!! At 72 years of age I have become, not only, a genuine curmudgeon but a very strict English language grammarian as well. The latter half of the 20th century and the early 21st century have seen the absolute rape and plunder of the English language. I think it's tragic.
You are absolutely correct. And it is NOT at all regional (just an excuse) it is simply grammatically correct. It really does, occasionally, drive me a little mad (I'm probably at least halfway there already) because I honestly feel it is simply a matter of laziness.
Carry on with the grammatically good fight Jerry and all the very best to you and yours,
Terry
I couldn't agree more!! At 72 years of age I have become, not only, a genuine curmudgeon but a very strict English language grammarian as well. The latter half of the 20th century and the early 21st century have seen the absolute rape and plunder of the English language. I think it's tragic.
You are absolutely correct. And it is NOT at all regional (just an excuse) it is simply grammatically correct. It really does, occasionally, drive me a little mad (I'm probably at least halfway there already) because I honestly feel it is simply a matter of laziness.
Carry on with the grammatically good fight Jerry and all the very best to you and yours,
Terry
Jul 13, 2022 09:45:10 #
robertjerl wrote:
Unfortunately for us stuck in a rut old foggy type... (show quote)
Of course, if enough people do that it will become a living language again and start changing again.Yep. Nearer My God to The just doesn't have the same effect. Even "You."
Jul 13, 2022 09:47:31 #
StanMac
Loc: Tennessee
f8lee wrote:
"Acoarst" you realize that is just one example - and I saw that the projected banner behind the stage at a speech our esteemed VP gave in New Orleans spelled the state "Lousiana"
Another member here uses the term “acoarst” - what does it mean? Google doesn’t even know what it means, correcting my query to “accost” or showing a similarly spelled anagram, nor does it show a Webster or other dictionary entry for the word. I’m thinking it is a bastardization of the phrase “of course”, but a really bad turn of phrase.
Stan
Jul 13, 2022 09:49:37 #
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