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Jul 7, 2022 09:08:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Jodevoy wrote:
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot raw and jpeg, which I did. I was looking over my storage yesterday and was reminded just how much space this is taking up! I use subscription Lightroom and Photoshop, if that matters to your response. I do not recall ever going back to the jpeg shots for any reason. Is there some reason I should NOT just go and delete them? It would be easy enough to do. In January I went to a SONY mirrorless and these files are even larger than before, so I am storage conscious right now. My gut instinct is to just delete the jpegs but I don’t want to cause any problems. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

Also…for the record, how many others are shooting raw and jpeg, or did I miss the memo saying this was not really necessary. (The camera “how-to experts” seem to suggest setting it up this way.).
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I only shoot raw.
Delete all that are not wanted and as desired make a JPEG of those I want to share.
That way I don't have thousands of duplicates or near duplicates.
8 shots of a flower with a slight breeze and finally catch the dead calm between gusts.
7 get discarded. Same with all other shots, birds, buildings etc.

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Jul 7, 2022 09:08:59   #
ncribble Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
Bison Bud wrote:
I guess I'm the opposite of most, as I shoot RAW+JPEG all the time and keep them both. I generally use the JPEG's for most everything, but if there is a photo I really like or needs some serious post production, I then edit the RAW file. I simply don't have the time or the desire to edit every single photo I take and have become very selective about which ones get additional work. However, having the RAW file available gives me that option should I decide I want to work on something. Frankly, memory is cheap these days whether it's an additional high capacity hard drive, SD Card, or Thumbdrive saving both types of files is not a big factor for me and worth the space it takes up. To each his own, but this works for me. Good luck and good shooting to all.
I guess I'm the opposite of most, as I shoot RAW+J... (show quote)


I like your approach and the reasoning, so just for the heck of it am going to give it a try.

Gracias,

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Jul 7, 2022 09:20:22   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
I don't really think there is a right way or a wrong way on this issue. I only need the raw file so that is all I save. But if all you need is the JPEG file then that is what you should save. If you have a need for both and you can deal with the clutter that creates then that should control what you do.

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Jul 7, 2022 09:28:17   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
Until my very first dslr came out with a routine to read the RAW files on my Canon 20D (give some of you how long ago that was) I shot both, so that when Canon DID come out with a sub-system to read RAW files from my 20D, I could retrieve my RAW files. Once Canon did that, it was no longer necessary to show both. I would not recommend shooting both unless you really wanted to.
Bill

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Jul 7, 2022 09:30:04   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
I shoot both because I have two cards in my D7200 and can shoot both. Rarely use the JPEGs and thus don’t save them. Might use a few JPEGs if it’s just some shots at a routine social gathering like a birthday party.

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Jul 7, 2022 09:37:07   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Jodevoy wrote:
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot raw and jpeg, which I did. I was looking over my storage yesterday and was reminded just how much space this is taking up! I use subscription Lightroom and Photoshop, if that matters to your response. I do not recall ever going back to the jpeg shots for any reason. Is there some reason I should NOT just go and delete them? It would be easy enough to do. In January I went to a SONY mirrorless and these files are even larger than before, so I am storage conscious right now. My gut instinct is to just delete the jpegs but I don’t want to cause any problems. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

Also…for the record, how many others are shooting raw and jpeg, or did I miss the memo saying this was not really necessary. (The camera “how-to experts” seem to suggest setting it up this way.).
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot ... (show quote)


From the VERY BEGINNING of digital photography, raw was meant as the capture medium. JPEG was meant as a proofing and distribution medium.

Back then, dynamic range of sensors was limited. Processing power was anemic. Network bandwidth was pathetic or expensive, take your pick. And RAM and drive space were premium priced products.

The amateur market "went JPEG" to save time and money and provide instant images. Most folks didn't care about blown highlights, plugged shadows, inaccurate white balance, etc. They had low standards formed from decades of using consumer cameras and ultra contrasty Kodacolor film printed on Royal paper.

The pro market split. Some of us understood (from using transparency and slide films) how to deal with dynamic range in certain situations, by modifying light. We used fill flash and reflector boards in full sun, and multiple flash setups, flags, scrims, gobos, reflectors, diffusers... in the studio. We understood achieving correct white balance as analogous to using the color correction filters we had for slide films. We understood incident flash meter readings and how to keep the scene contrast ratio under 5:1 (2.5:1 or 3:1 for portraits). We understood how to tune the menu settings in our cameras to get the results WE wanted, rather than the camera company's default results.

We created whole pro workflows for things like mass market portraiture and parts catalog photography. When you take photos "on a production line," you "set it up, lock it down, rip the knobs off, and go to work." That was, and probably still is, school portraiture, church directory portraiture, big box store portraiture, etc.

On the other hand, raw capture won the hearts and minds of everyone who valued or needed control, latitude, and maximum creative potential recorded in their files.

Straddling the fence by saving JPEGs and raw together was a professional's approach created for those who needed IMMEDIATE copies of images for editing, proofing, "slide" show projection at weddings, or deadline publication. The JPEG could suffice for those uses, but the raw was available for serious editing and optimization for different uses (fine prints, newsprint, Internet, etc).

Saving JPEGs and raw together was an approach that worked for new photographers, also, to help them learn. It provided immediate feedback about light and composition and exposure, and allowed post-processing to be learned and performed as needed.

So I'm here to say that if you NEED JPEGs, and you NEED raw, capture both and boogie on. If you don't need the JPEGs from the camera for anything specific, just capture raw files and post-process to whatever file type or medium you intend to create. If you'll never care to benefit from raw, just record JPEGs. But do yourself a huge favor and learn what all those menu settings do! Your JPEGs will improve immensely if you understand what menu settings to use in different environments.

It's never JPEG vs raw. It's, "What do I need to do today?" Evaluate your situation and set your camera accordingly!

It's more important to save backups of raw files and any XMP files or Lightroom Catalogs than it is to save a JPEG from the camera. If you are not backing up your work on a regular basis, you WILL lose your data eventually.

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Jul 7, 2022 09:43:35   #
cdayton
 
Gee, a new topic - how exciting.

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Jul 7, 2022 09:52:05   #
Hiro Protaginast
 
Jodevoy wrote:
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot raw and jpeg, which I did. I was looking over my storage yesterday and was reminded just how much space this is taking up! I use subscription Lightroom and Photoshop, if that matters to your response. I do not recall ever going back to the jpeg shots for any reason. Is there some reason I should NOT just go and delete them? It would be easy enough to do. In January I went to a SONY mirrorless and these files are even larger than before, so I am storage conscious right now. My gut instinct is to just delete the jpegs but I don’t want to cause any problems. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

Also…for the record, how many others are shooting raw and jpeg, or did I miss the memo saying this was not really necessary. (The camera “how-to experts” seem to suggest setting it up this way.).
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot ... (show quote)


I've always shot just raw. My needs never needed anything else. Wow, that's a jumbled sentence. A lot of people need jpegs for their work , but I don't so never shot them. The raw files can always be converted to jpegs if need be. If yours are just plain jpegs with no in camera effects applied to them I would just delete them.

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Jul 7, 2022 09:53:55   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Jodevoy wrote:
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot raw and jpeg, which I did. I was looking over my storage yesterday and was reminded just how much space this is taking up! I use subscription Lightroom and Photoshop, if that matters to your response. I do not recall ever going back to the jpeg shots for any reason. Is there some reason I should NOT just go and delete them? It would be easy enough to do. In January I went to a SONY mirrorless and these files are even larger than before, so I am storage conscious right now. My gut instinct is to just delete the jpegs but I don’t want to cause any problems. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

Also…for the record, how many others are shooting raw and jpeg, or did I miss the memo saying this was not really necessary. (The camera “how-to experts” seem to suggest setting it up this way.).
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot ... (show quote)


I’m guessing 24 pages that’s my story and I’m stickin to it!

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Jul 7, 2022 09:54:56   #
NormanTheGr8 Loc: Racine, Wisconsin
 
I shoot both for family outings and events if I need to post asap to social media etc, otherwise RAW.
I only save the RAW files to the archives and for editing.

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Jul 7, 2022 10:03:51   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
bikerguy wrote:
I have never shot raw + jpeg since I do not post to social media while out and about (or any other time). Since you do not use them and it is easy enough to export as a jpeg from LR I would delete all of them.


Except for some foods, I'm raw all the way. Why not? I like processing. I have some small old cameras that don't shoot raw, so I could use them for JPEG if I wanted to.

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Jul 7, 2022 10:16:44   #
wcmoorejr Loc: Birmingham Alabama
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I always shoot raw+jpeg for my paid work. The jpegs are for quick review, and for any instant online posting or quick uploads to media outlets.

But the jpegs serve another important purpose. I shoot raw to one card and jpeg to the other card in my Sony A1, A7RIV, A7SIII. So if I have a card failure and something unrecoverable happens to my raw images, the jpegs are of sufficient quality to save my bacon if needed.

Redundancy is a must when doing paid work and/or any shooting that cant be done over.

I use the edited raw files for my final and best presentation. I also store the raw files and jpegs separately.

I dont still have every film image I have taken. some lost to flood damage, or the negs and transparencies and/or prints are stored in the archives of my newspapers and magazines and I have limited access to them .

But yes, some in storage, some on CD and DVD discs, some on hard drives, but I do have at least one copy of every digital image I have ever taken, and I am totally fine with that. I probably will give them to my alma mater, Rochester Institute of Technology, still the University with the top-rated photography course of study among its many programs of study.

At this point in a pro photojournalism career spanning nearly five decades, I need to hire someone to help me sort and catalog all of it, LOL

These photos are all my children and my legacy, I am not throwing them away if I dont have to.

Cheers
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This is the number 1 reason to shoot raw+jpg or jpg+jpg. I did a shoot this past weekend. I always switch out my CF card before I head back stage because the back stage shots have to be processed first. put my backup CF card in my 7DII and it failed. If I didnt have my camera set up write to both cards, I would have lost that section. When I got home, that 32GB CF card went straight to the trash. I would never trust it again. This is also the reason I wont buy a camera body that doesnt have 2 card slots.

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Jul 7, 2022 10:26:10   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Jodevoy wrote:
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot raw and jpeg, which I did. I was looking over my storage yesterday and was reminded just how much space this is taking up! I use subscription Lightroom and Photoshop, if that matters to your response. I do not recall ever going back to the jpeg shots for any reason. Is there some reason I should NOT just go and delete them? It would be easy enough to do. In January I went to a SONY mirrorless and these files are even larger than before, so I am storage conscious right now. My gut instinct is to just delete the jpegs but I don’t want to cause any problems. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

Also…for the record, how many others are shooting raw and jpeg, or did I miss the memo saying this was not really necessary. (The camera “how-to experts” seem to suggest setting it up this way.).
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot ... (show quote)


I shot RAW & JPEG for a short time and then realized RAW wasn't required and now shoot JPEG almost entirely...so in my case I would keep them and dump the humongous RAW files. Cheers!

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Jul 7, 2022 10:37:57   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Jodevoy wrote:
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot raw and jpeg, which I did. I was looking over my storage yesterday and was reminded just how much space this is taking up! I use subscription Lightroom and Photoshop, if that matters to your response. I do not recall ever going back to the jpeg shots for any reason. Is there some reason I should NOT just go and delete them? It would be easy enough to do. In January I went to a SONY mirrorless and these files are even larger than before, so I am storage conscious right now. My gut instinct is to just delete the jpegs but I don’t want to cause any problems. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

Also…for the record, how many others are shooting raw and jpeg, or did I miss the memo saying this was not really necessary. (The camera “how-to experts” seem to suggest setting it up this way.).
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot ... (show quote)


RAW is not really a new fad or whatever was being implied. But I am not discussing that here or now. I virtually always shoot just RAW only. I use Photoshop and never Lightroom. I find my 1T in PC C:-Drive adequate for my photography use. Once a year I archive my older images to external hard drives. I have a not all that new Windows 10 Dell Tower with 32 MB RAM. It might be time for you to get a new PC or MAC. There should be no problem with you deleting the camera made JPGs as long as you do it correctly and your Lr datatbase is based on the RAW files.

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Jul 7, 2022 10:39:31   #
Hip Coyote
 
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