New Shooting Channel? (Page 4): Stone the size of a fist, thrown or smashed into head of opponent = Assault Weapon.

SmittyOne Loc: California

Stone the size of a fist, thrown or smashed into head of opponent = Assault Weapon.

Jack47 Loc: Ontario

TriX wrote:

With all due respect to your comments and views, no one is trying to take away your guns - THAT is an emotion rousing simplification and an untruth. I would again point out that the 4th of July shooter had weapons confiscated by police for threatening to “kill everyone”, yet he was allowed to legally buy guns. The guns used in the recent Uvalde shooting were bought as soon as the shooter turned 18. Now if I were running a gun store and an 18 year old came in and wanted to buy 2 AR style weapons with large magazines and 400+ rounds of ammunition, would I be overjoyed by an excellent sale, or require an extensive background check? What you you do?

The fact is we have more guns than any other country by far. Guns are a part of our culture, but one thing has changed, we are selling “high power” weapons with larger capacity magazines. Granted, when I was growing up, we had 22s with 16 shot tubular magazines, we had semi auto shotguns but in my state, the magazines had to be plugged at 3 rounds. Fully automatic weapons required a federal license (which they still do), but there were no lightweight semi automatic military grade weapons with 30 or larger round magazines widely available and promoted to the public, and to my knowledge, there were no bump stocks. Now, I’m not stating that all mass shootings are carried out with these types of weapons, but many are, and large capacity magazines and easily concealed weapons make it a lot easier. No one needs 30 round magazines to hunt (or shouldn’t) and the AR platform is not my choice for target shooting or for home defense for that matter (I would prefer a shotgun). And I point to the fact that during the assault weapon ban under Clinton, mass shootings decreased substantially, only to increase when the ban was lifted. Coincidence? These weapons were designed for one thing - to kill as many of the enemy as possible as quickly as possible, so my question is: why do they make sense for hunting, target shooting or home defense (unless you live in Afghanistan)?

Now I know all the AR platform owners are going to call me one of those anti-gun nuts, but before you do, let me tell you that I grew up hunting and with guns (.22 at 11, 12 ga. at 12), was an NRA member, shot on the rifle team in college, shot pistols on the base shooting team in the Army, qualified expert on the M14, M16 and 1911, hand loaded ammo, and carried both an M14, M16 and my trusty 1911 for a year in VietNam, I still own guns and have a CC permit, so I am by no means anti-gun. I love to shoot and admire the craftsmanship of fine firearms, but let’s use a little judgement here regarding the sale and distribution, licensing, registration and/or background checks on gun purchases, and especially semi auto weapons with high capacity magazines, unless of course we are completely powerless to manage this genie that has escaped the bottle and are willing to see the daily mass shootings of our loved ones and children.

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PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place

Gun fired from across lake, bullet hits 25 YO in head while inside her home. Just happened in Akron Ohio.

Don

Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area

rlv567 wrote:

Incorrect! Those who wish to kill always will find a way - they still will get guns when the law abiding cannot. There are those within our society who seem to have no other way with respect to expressing their feelings, getting their way or taking what they want. --- And read my previous response about the actual results of denying guns to the law abiding. Also - ever hear of bombs??? (and other deadly devices).

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

Then how do you explain the fact that the US is number one in the world in killings per capita?

JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois

rlv567 wrote:

Absolutely correct!!!!! And that's why it IS gett... (show quote)

Absolutely correct. When criminals keep getting slaps on the wrist for violent crimes it only emboldens them. I saw a police cam where an officer made a traffic stop and an automobile coming in the other direction stopped, the driver jumped out of the car and came after the officer with a hatchet. The officer shot and killed him. How stupid can you be to come after an armed police officer with a hatchet?

NickGee Loc: Pacific Northwest

Najataagihe wrote:

As did we.

We just weren't aware of it, as all we got was local news - usually days after the fact.

Now, with modern communications, folks get instant information from all over the place, but still think in terms of it being local.

You are just realizing the extent of evil over a wider geographical area, now.

It's still sad!

But, although violence ebbs and flows, it is no worse than other periods of history.

That is a bottomless crock of dung. There have been more than 300 mass shootings in just the first seven months of 2022. This has NOT been going on since "the dawn of man." All of these senseless attempts to rationalize the gun violence is beyond ridiculous.

JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois

I never owned a pistol in my life until last year. After seeing how the violent rioting and terrorizing was not only condoned but encouraged by those who should have had the best interest of the law abiding citizens at heart and after such an outcry to defund the police I decided I maybe need to be prepared to defend myself so I bought a 9mm semiautomatic.

Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area

JRiepe wrote:

I never owned a pistol in my life until last year. After seeing how the violent rioting and terrorizing was not only condoned but encouraged by those who should have had the best interest of the law abiding citizens at heart and after such an outcry to defund the police I decided I maybe need to be prepared to defend myself so I bought a 9mm semiautomatic.

Big difference between owning a gun and actually shooting someone.

RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

traderjohn wrote:

People in various subcultures and mental illnesses are the problem. How do you fix them??

Please list some of these "various subcultures" so we can all know who to be careful around" Actually many countries have people of "various subcultures" and face issues of mental illness yet do not have our death rate from violence. I wonder what factors contribute to our higher death rate from violence?

fantom Loc: Colorado

Jack47 wrote:

That’s what you get with a gun in every pocket. Also why I haven’t gone south of the 49th parallel in over 20 years

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RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

pbearperry wrote:

Nearly every innercity shooting is done by someone who has done it before. That is because of our weak Judicial system and Courts with revolving doors.

I don't know the statistics on this, but I would not be surprised to learn that the majority of inner city shootings were by "someone who has done it before". However I wonder if this case as well with mass shootings. If we studied this would we find career criminals or persons who would be considered basically "law abiding" up to the point where they committed their atrocities. I mean that their past illegal activities would be of such a nature, such as traffic violations and such, that would not prevent them from obtaining weaponry. It seems that many of the recent mass shootings report that the perpetrator acquired their firearms legally. If most of the mass shootings are being done by heretofore law abiding people who obtain their firearms legally and then "go off the track" and kill a large number of people, what can we do to prevent that?

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

I know this thread is ultimately headed to the attic and also that I’ll never convince any of the unlimited 2nd amendment rights advocates of any limitations on the number, qualification or types of firearms, but I’m just going to leave you with a couple of thoughts and then unwatch:

I note that the shooter in Chicago fired a reported 72 rounds. He emptied 2 30 round magazines and started on a third. What if that had been a bolt action, lever action or even a semi auto rifle with a 5 shot magazine? Could he have gotten off as many round before being discovered and killed and wounded as many? Same question about Uvalade and Los vegas? Yes you can kill people with lots of other weapons, but likely not so many so efficiently in a single rampage. And I want a candid answer as to why any civilian needs 30-60 round magazines for target, hunting or self defense (valid reasons for gun ownership).

The 2nd amendment, so near and dear to the NRA (and many of us for valid reasons), which used to be about gun safety/training and now about representing firearm manufacturers, was conceived in a time of single shot rifles, and regardless of the fact that many would like to ignore it, contains the phrase “a well regulated militia…” it’s a pretty simple amendment, and no one seems to have issues interpreting it to allow regarding regulating fully automatic weapons, hand grenades, etc, so why the stiff resistance about military style weapons with large magazines? Is it because those already own one and have a substantial investment? Is it because they fear/expect a race or civil war? My comment is that if you really want to play soldier with military weapons, then the armed services are hiring and those of us that have served would be glad to see you do your part. Then you can handle the baddest weapons in a good cause.

Now, others may have a different opinion, but having carried one in the military in a combat zone, I found the M-16 platform (similar to the popular AR platform) to be a poor target rifle. Also, while it might be useful as a varmit cartridge (which is the origin of almost all the small caliber high speed rounds such as the .222 Remington, .220 Swift, etc), I would not choose it as a hunting rifle - too small for deer in my opinion or larger game and too much meat damage for smaller animals. Nor would I choose it for home defense. We found in VietNam that a shotgun was an excellent weapon in close quarters or an ambush (as have many police forces).

So again I ask the question: why does it make sense to allow 30 round or larger magazines and promote these types of weapons? Is that small infringement on free choice too much to ask to make a small dent in the carnage that is afflicting America and killing our children? You gladly agree that regulations, registration, safety inspections and other curtailment of the the type and use of vehicles are accepted for our safety, so what is so sacred about certain types of firearms?

rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines

RodeoMan wrote:

Please list some of these "various subcultures" so we can all know who to be careful around" Actually many countries have people of "various subcultures" and face issues of mental illness yet do not have our death rate from violence. I wonder what factors contribute to our higher death rate from violence?

You know very well the single factor most involved in the violence being perpetrated these days - the shooting, burning, attacking, destroying, pillaging - not only being ignored by those currently in power, but encouraged by those intent on tearing down the US. And those wishing to get whatever they want by whatever means they choose have not hesitated to seize the opportunity presented!!! And, unfortunately, because of the louder aspect of today's culture, one cannot address that pervasive underlying cause!!! It's not just being ignored, but promoted!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines

Fredrick wrote:

Then how do you explain the fact that the US is number one in the world in killings per capita?

Were you to have read prior posts, I already answered that (and all the questions, if you could/would comprehend):

"That's why it IS getting worse and worse! Many who in the past would have been afraid of being held responsible for their actions, know that if anything, they will get a slap on the wrist, so they accommodate whatever urge strikes them without a thought as to the consequences. Just look at what now is happening in Chicago." That ongoing slaughter is being totally ignored by law enforcement, the media and many politicians - for the obvious reasons!!!!! "And shootings, burning down buildings, pillaging and such actually are being promoted by some in power, while at the very least being condoned by those who by their very positions were supposed to be curtailing such actions!"

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

clint f. wrote:

Ask Beto his opinion of gun confiscation. I appreciate your opinion but saying no one wants to take guns then in the same paragraph that you know what others need or don’t need is curious. I have no issue regarding background checks, red flag laws if due process is timely. I too grew up with guns and haven’t had the inclination to shoot anybody. I’m thinking it’s me, not the guns, that make that choice.

You're confusing confiscation with control. No one in authority in his right mind has said that we should confiscate all the guns in America. If they collected 1,000 guns a day, it would take over 1,000 years to collect all the guns in this country. Saying, "They're going to take our guns," is a fear tactic that has been used for years to rouse the base. It's absolute nonsense.