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Nov 21, 2012 12:52:02   #
skidooman Loc: Minnesota
 
big-guy wrote:
sidney wrote:
If it.s for a friend.thats the best way to lose him/her.
ADVICE: Do not do this wedding judging by your
information..they will not be happy...


I disagree with this response. I say go for it BUT be brutally honest to the families beforehand. Again, BE BRUTALLY HONEST BEFOREHAND! Tell them of your inexperience as a wedding and photographer. I shot my first wedding of my best friend but he was fully aware of my limitations and accepted the oh so less than perfect photos I produced. Yes we are still best friends more than 40 years later. I did learn from the experience and decided to take a p/t job at a local studio. After 2 years of shooting second I had the knowledge and confidence to shoot as first. It's been a fantastic experience over the years. I'm glad I did it. No regrets.
quote=sidney If it.s for a friend.thats the best ... (show quote)


A word of caution here, both B&G have to be ok with your limitations.

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Nov 21, 2012 14:45:32   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
Festina Lente wrote:
skidooman wrote:
I'm afraid you are asking for trouble here JoAnn. You will no doubt get responses ranging from "If you have to ask these type of questions, you should not be photographing a wedding" to the good hearted "you have to start somewhere, good luck". There are so many things to say here,,I will only touch on a couple.

Understanding this is your 1st wedding,,,I'm going to ask you a couple of questions.

Have you ever been a second shooter at a wedding, so you have at least some experience shooting a wedding?

Are you charging a fee for doing this?? If you are, you should not have to ask questions like these.

If this is a freebie for friends or family,,,are they aware of your inexperience?? Are they ok with the possibility they may not get what they are expecting from you?

You mention a rebel 3 camera,,,pretty low end to do any wedding work with. What kind of lenses, lighting, spare equipment do you have. Doesn't sound like any,,and you need spares, lights and lenses to do the job correctly.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but based solely on your post,,you should not be doing a wedding. At a minimum, you need to know your equipment better (so not to ask such fundamental questions as these),,have better equipment to include lighting and lenses. And finally experience,,gained through OJT as a second shooter and/or assistant.

A more thourough disclosure of equipment and experience may get you a more endearing response,,but I doubt it.

I'm saying these things to you as a wedding photographer myself. I know from experience what can happen to equipment, the stresses involved and the knowledge needed from equipment use and posing to successfully do a wedding, not just to be unkind.
I'm afraid you are asking for trouble here JoAnn. ... (show quote)

This is good advice from skidooman.
Consider the consequences if you innocently end up ruining the couple's special day with less than perfect images and options.
Good wedding photographers have a lot of experience, carry spare everything (most importantly a spare camera), and plan ahead with a list of photos needed, etc.

This is not as easy as it seems or sounds. If this is your first time, well, I suggest you seriously reconsider being the main photographer.
quote=skidooman I'm afraid you are asking for tro... (show quote)


Agree with both of these statements. I've been shooting weddings since about 1960 and I still get nervous . . . why? . . . because even with decades of experience, the very best of equipment all backed up, an experienced 2nd shooter with me and over a thousand weddings under my belt . . . there are still lots of opportunities to screw up and no second chances.

When you get a comment for a question like you have asked like "Good Luck" . . . don't take it seriously . . . "Good Luck" has nothing to do with it.

Just my 3 cents worth . . .

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Nov 21, 2012 15:20:23   #
jjestar Loc: Savannah GA
 
CaptainC wrote:
Surely, after asking those questions you are not charging for this. You can not ask for "settings" on a forum and expect to have any answer have any bearing on your specific session.

If this is just a lark for friends, well....fine.Go have fun. If they expect great images of their special day, you are most likely the wrong choice. You don't need "settings" you need some training and experience, a better camera and an up-to-date computer.


You are echoing my concerns posted earlier N0 ONE on this Forum should be encourgeing this person to proceed with this endeavor unless it is a Lark as Cap has noted. I am all for people trying new things but this would be a failure on all fronts. People skillis aside the end product, images of someones special day is what it is all about.

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Nov 21, 2012 15:39:10   #
Artic 1 Loc: Nottingham
 
Hi, i have done 3 weddings, all as a friend to help out,i am not in any way a professional photographer,and neither did i charge,i told them i would do it and if they didn't turn out there can be no come back, they were happy to accept this condition,which put me at ease,i was lucky enough to be able to take the photo's outside the church which saved me a load of lighting problem's, all i used was a Canon 450d a 75/300mm lense and a sturdy tripod with remote shutter release, i took the photos, then downloaded onto there Pc's and it was up to them to do the rest, order extra prints ect,luckily all 3 weddings turned out really well,but be very carefull you explain the situation to all concerned,otherwise you could be in a right mess when it goes wrong

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Nov 21, 2012 16:37:17   #
Treepusher Loc: Kingston, Massachusetts
 
I think it all depends on the circumstances. If you're charging them, then that's one thing, and maybe you're not ready for that.

If, on the other hand, this is being done as a favor or a gift--with clear understanding you're not a professional, then that's another.

My own wedding many years ago was done by a close friend as a wedding gift to us. We had little money, and none at all for a 'pro' photographer. The photos were done on a point-and-shoot, and we treasure them to this day, even with less than perfect lighting, composition, focus, and exposure.

They evoke great memories, and no one has ever criticized them for being less than professional caliber, least of all, us. All we see is a young couple in love, people having a wonderful time all around. We were delighted with them then, we're happy with them now, and that friend gave us a great gift.

Of course, that was then and this is now. People are fussier these days and more willing to blow megabucks on a wedding. So it depends on what your friends expect. If they're financially embarrassed like we were, then by all means, shoot that wedding and do your best to give them a gift they'll cherish all their lives.

If they're paying for and expecting professional quality shots, then maybe you should pass this one up.

Either way, have fun!

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Nov 21, 2012 17:46:52   #
JoAnn
 
Thanks to all who has given advise. I do know this couple very well and I have told them I've never done weddings before. Getting a professional photographer is also not an option for them. I'm the next best thing for them. They planned this wedding very fast so I won't even be able to take test shots.

For those of you that gave me smart remarks poo on you. I thought this site was suppose to help people out when they needed it not put them DOWN!!

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Nov 21, 2012 17:55:05   #
sidney Loc: London.Eng.
 
I do not think people were putting you down I think
they and myself were trying to give you some good advice.which you have to decide to take or not.most
of us are here to help.not put them down. OK

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Nov 21, 2012 17:56:46   #
jjestar Loc: Savannah GA
 
JoAnn wrote:
Thanks to all who has given advise. I do know this couple very well and I have told them I've never done weddings before. Getting a professional photographer is also not an option for them. I'm the next best thing for them. They planned this wedding very fast so I won't even be able to take test shots.

For those of you that gave me smart remarks poo on you. I thought this site was suppose to help people out when they needed it not put them DOWN!!


You probably should have said this to begin with and you would not have received so much "POO".

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Nov 21, 2012 18:06:17   #
skidooman Loc: Minnesota
 
JoAnn wrote:
Thanks to all who has given advise. I do know this couple very well and I have told them I've never done weddings before. Getting a professional photographer is also not an option for them. I'm the next best thing for them. They planned this wedding very fast so I won't even be able to take test shots.

For those of you that gave me smart remarks poo on you. I thought this site was suppose to help people out when they needed it not put them DOWN!!


I did a little inquiring to try and find out more info regarding your post, and then PM'ed you to offer my help. I'm guessing by this post and the fact you never responded to my offer,,,,I'm being POO'ed on. Good luck.

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Nov 21, 2012 18:06:46   #
chapjohn Loc: Tigard, Oregon
 
After reading this thread, I will add some concerns that have not been addressed from a pastor that officiates weddings. When officiating a wedding I appreciate when the photog asks what and where. I have already informed the B&G that if the ceremony is inside no flash is allowed because it will distract from the B&G. There also may be spots that the photog may not be allowed to be during the ceremony. It is important you get this information before the ceremony.

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Nov 21, 2012 18:11:28   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
jjestar wrote:
JoAnn wrote:
Thanks to all who has given advise. I do know this couple very well and I have told them I've never done weddings before. Getting a professional photographer is also not an option for them. I'm the next best thing for them. They planned this wedding very fast so I won't even be able to take test shots.

For those of you that gave me smart remarks poo on you. I thought this site was suppose to help people out when they needed it not put them DOWN!!


You probably should have said this to begin with and you would not have received so much "POO".
quote=JoAnn Thanks to all who has given advise. I... (show quote)


Yeah - you give no PERTINENT information and then don't like the answers. All of which were 100% correct, by the way. The answers were not "smart" they addressed your post perfectly.

Far as I know, nobody here is a mind reader.

So now that you decide to tell us what you should have told us in the FIRST post...God help you. There is no way in the world a forum such as this can give you the help you will need.
As has been posted here, a wedding is one of the MOST difficult types of photography there is. Like it or not, people were trying to help - they were telling you that by what you asked you are not up to the task. However, under the circumstances, I guess whatever you get will be more than they would have without you. Go to the library and get a few books on wedding photography and memorize them.

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Nov 21, 2012 18:13:17   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
Treepusher wrote:
I think it all depends on the circumstances. If you're charging them, then that's one thing, and maybe you're not ready for that.

If, on the other hand, this is being done as a favor or a gift--with clear understanding you're not a professional, then that's another.

My own wedding many years ago was done by a close friend as a wedding gift to us. We had little money, and none at all for a 'pro' photographer. The photos were done on a point-and-shoot, and we treasure them to this day, even with less than perfect lighting, composition, focus, and exposure.

They evoke great memories, and no one has ever criticized them for being less than professional caliber, least of all, us. All we see is a young couple in love, people having a wonderful time all around. We were delighted with them then, we're happy with them now, and that friend gave us a great gift.

Of course, that was then and this is now. People are fussier these days and more willing to blow megabucks on a wedding. So it depends on what your friends expect. If they're financially embarrassed like we were, then by all means, shoot that wedding and do your best to give them a gift they'll cherish all their lives.

If they're paying for and expecting professional quality shots, then maybe you should pass this one up.

Either way, have fun!
I think it all depends on the circumstances. If y... (show quote)

If they are unhappy with the images, or your equipment acts up, or you miss an expected shot, or the weather changes and you are not prepared, or etc., etc., the fact that they did not pay you will be unimportant.

In all business transactiuons, schedule and costs, memories of the delays and costs quickly fade, but the quality is remembered forever.

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Nov 21, 2012 18:16:23   #
jjestar Loc: Savannah GA
 
CaptainC wrote:
jjestar wrote:
JoAnn wrote:
Thanks to all who has given advise. I do know this couple very well and I have told them I've never done weddings before. Getting a professional photographer is also not an option for them. I'm the next best thing for them. They planned this wedding very fast so I won't even be able to take test shots.

For those of you that gave me smart remarks poo on you. I thought this site was suppose to help people out when they needed it not put them DOWN!!


You probably should have said this to begin with and you would not have received so much "POO".
quote=JoAnn Thanks to all who has given advise. I... (show quote)


Yeah - you give no PERTINENT information and then don't like the answers. All of which were 100% correct, by the way. The answers were not "smart" they addressed your post perfectly.

Far as I know, nobody here is a mind reader.

So now that you decide to tell us what you should have told us in the FIRST post...God help you. There is no way in the world a forum such as this can give you the help you will need.
As has been posted here, a wedding is one of the MOST difficult types of photography there is. Like it or not, people were trying to help - they were telling you that by what you asked you are not up to the task. However, under the circumstances, I guess whatever you get will be more than they would have without you. Go to the library and get a few books on wedding photography and memorize them.
quote=jjestar quote=JoAnn Thanks to all who has ... (show quote)


YEAH, I do Weddings for a living and would have offered some assistace but now I am POOING on You, have fun.

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Nov 22, 2012 13:06:41   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
Well JoAnn, assuming you have hung in here this long after all our well-intentioned but probably discouraging advice, and if you are still going to proceed, consider getting someone to help you. Going it alone can be daunting if you do not have experience.
Most of us started wedding photography as someone's assistant and honed our skills on the job over time.

I suggest reading the following short article. It may give you some ideas and better prepare you.
http://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/second-shooter-tips-to-be-a-great-assistant-photographer/

Best wishes for a great wedding ceremony.
(And post an image or two just to show us how well you did).

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Nov 23, 2012 20:56:21   #
zneb240 Loc: New South Wales - Australia
 
JoAnn wrote:
Thanks to all who has given advise. I do know this couple very well and I have told them I've never done weddings before. Getting a professional photographer is also not an option for them. I'm the next best thing for them. They planned this wedding very fast so I won't even be able to take test shots.

For those of you that gave me smart remarks poo on you. I thought this site was suppose to help people out when they needed it not put them DOWN!!

JoAnn. You should have mentioned a few of these important issues in your original post - gives others a better idea of what you're facing. If there is no alternative but for you to do the photos, then I guess that the best advice from me would be:

Camera Stuff
1. Set to auto and leave it up to the camera. This 'one size fits all' approach is arguably best for your situation. Unless you're confident, don't start swiching to Tv - Av etc.
2. Set to the highest possible quality.
3. Set your white balance to auto (correct white balance is critical when shooting JPEGs).
4. Take sufficient memory cards formatted with your camera even if they're new!! - at minimum 12-16 GB. You'll be amazed how many shots you'll take.
5. Use several smaller capacity cards rather than one high capacity card, eg four x 4GB is safer than one x 16 GB. That way, in the event of a failure, all your eggs are not in one basket.
5. Ensure the battery is fully charged and have a fully charged back-up if possible.
6. Safe-guard the cards as you use them.
7. Start practicing with your camera today!!

Other stuff
1. Check the celebrant for what can and can't be done on his/her patch.
2. Be polite but don't be backward in coming forward on the day. Avoid shooting over other's shoulder - position yourself to where you feel will be best for each shot.
3. Move in close - tighter shots very often look better than more distant 'snap shots'.
4. If possible, have someone prepared to help gather the gang together for the all important group shots. Note: Do this immediatly after the couple walk out of the venue - on the steps is often best. Once everyone disperses, it's impossible to re-muster them. Brief your helper of this in advance, don't just grab them on the spot.
5. Arrive at least 1 hour early to check direction of light, best position both in the venue and outside.
6. If possible, be relaxed and treat it as just taking lots of photos for a friend.
7. Go on-line for a weather forecast but be aware the weather may change. Should the weather be other than bright sunny, no wind, be prepared. Some really beautiful photos have been done in less than ideal conditions.
8. Google up some wedding photog sites for inspiration/ideas - particularly for unexpected weather situations as described above.

The above is by no means a complete list of advice, but probably as much as you need at this stage

JoAnn, hope you find this helpful. I'm not a Canon user however the foregoing is fundamental regardless of camera brand. Perhaps you could refer to a competent Canon user or your user manual if necessary. I offer this advice on a blog site in response to your enquiry, free of charge and in a well intentioned spirit. With respect, I can't accept responsibility should things not work out.

Finally I wish you all the best and I too would love to see some of your pics on this site. Go well. :-D

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