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Jun 18, 2022 10:53:29   #
srg
 
tramsey wrote:
I took one course in Economics in college because that's all that was left and I needed it to fill out my credits. I didn't understand what he was talking about right from the first day and it didn't get any better.
So here's my problem. The Federal Reserve just increased interest rate by .75% with the good news that another increase would be coming later in the summer. This is all done to ward off recession.(I think it's already here) So the interest rate will increase the rate on credit cards, car purchases, housing and everything else and they say our pay check will be less to. I'm not sure about that but it certainly won't go as far.
Finally to the point. If all these things are going to cost us more how will that help to ward off recession? Please don't be a college professor and explain it to me in six syllable words. Just single syllable layman's grunts will do just fine.,
My wife has several health issues so I will be away from the computer fot the next several hours Thanks
I took one course in Economics in college because ... (show quote)


You cannot tell the difference between a preposition and an adverb, explaining economics may be a lost cause.

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Jun 18, 2022 11:14:39   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
One of my sons and my best friend are on opposite sides of the political fence as I am. I keep telling my son to keep in mind that regardless of which party they are affiliated with, ultimately politicians are looking out for only one person, themselves.

Down through the years, one thing has been constant; it’s always the other guy’s fault or the other party’s fault. The guy or party in power is always innocent and they can’t keep their campaign promises because of the mess the previous person or party left for them to clean up. And when those innocent people are voted out of office, they suddenly become guilty and are accused of doing the same thing they accused their previous politician-party of.

This is human nature at its lowest. That’s how it has always been and how it always will be.

Anyone who thinks that politicians put other people’s needs before their own wants and desires is a fool. Which includes my son and friend.

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Jun 18, 2022 11:36:27   #
pendennis
 
Caribou wrote:
I was an Economics major because the subject fascinated me. It was a long time ago. I've watched us go through various economic ups and downs over the decades. One thing that has become apparent to me is that it is not possible to predict with any certainty what will happen when the economy is "tweaked" in order to produce some particular outcome. There are too many moving parts. Some officials have already admitted that they didn't anticipate some particular thing occurring. The Fed is trying to thread the needle. All we can do is hope they get it right. And, of course, the opposition politicians will always try to make the most of it when they have few, if any, real solutions of their own.
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As was my own experience, except that I got a blended major of finance/economics, concentrating on investments and macro.

During my entire college career, I didn't have single professor who didn't think the Fed should be dissolved. And their opinions remain valid today.

The Executive Branch has allowed the Fed to act as a central bank, which is really counter to their charter. They're not in the mold of The Bank of England, Banque de France, or Deutsche Bank. They never act quickly enough, and their economists must be using abaci to forecast. Their prime rate adjustments are usually too little/much, too late. They live to "fight inflation" but they're a bucket brigade, when in reality, they need to be a modern fire department.

They seem always to dabble around the edges, but can never come out and tell the Executive Branch, that it must stop spending over and above revenue. As long as the Executive Branch has the power to appoint the Fed's chair, we will have bad money policy. The Congress and the Executive branch will then have to make some really tough decisions.

The Fed is making financial market decisions despite being a non-financial markets entity. Disband the Fed; move the debenture function back into the Treasury Department, and let the commercial banks determine their own "prime rates".

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Jun 18, 2022 11:40:08   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
robertjerl wrote:
It is to ward off inflation by making it more expensive to use credit. If fewer people are willing to use credit to buy things then the upward pressure on prices due to supply and demand will be reduced. They hope that may put the brakes on a recession. But as long as the supply is restricted the prices will still probably go up. And there is the government spending money they don't have by just printing more (it is all numbers in a computer but they still call it "printing") and that will still drive prices up if supply is not increased.

We have a long history, since the Depression, of being used to the government running a deficit to pay for things they didn't pay for before. The Federal government needs to cut back to only the major necessary things the Constitution says they are responsible for and leave the rest up to the states or private entities and the people themselves. That huge debt needs to be paid off (the interest is horrendous) - that will take decades, but it took decades to create it. We will just have to get used to the idea that the government is not the source of all things we want or need. And that will be a hard transition for most people to make.
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Absolutely - except for one thing. It didn't take decades (though the tendency has been there) to run up the incredible national debt - it has occurred in just the last few years, using "money" that has no backing or value, nothing more than an entry on a computer.

Unfortunately, we are in for not just a recession, but a major depression, probably considerably worse than 1929. The idiot "nice government men" in the pointy toed shoes, and the "quantitative easing" and the "plunge protection team" can not do anything to prevent it. They are, in fact, causing it, in conjunction with the spend money we don't have and never will, crowd. We are very near the point where the INTEREST on the national debt will be more than there is any possibility of paying. That's one reason they have been so reluctant to boost interest rates. And they're caught between causing runaway inflation - like Germany, where people needed a wheelbarrow to carry enough money to buy a loaf of bread - and the total collapse of Wall Street. Their choice always will remain to help their friends in Wall Street!

Again unfortunately, those currently in power - and with the loudest voices - are espousing (demanding) nothing short of communist/socialist measures - and some unabashedly admit this! The dismal truth is, however, their way has been tried many times, only to fail, while causing untold misery for the general populace. The sysyphean attempts never have succeeded, and unless they are the ones in power, the rock rolls right over them - time and again!!!

The very drastic conclusion is - we may already be at a point of no return; if not, very close to it. And regardless, there IS a lot of misery ahead!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jun 18, 2022 11:40:28   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
tramsey wrote:
I took one course in Economics in college because that's all that was left and I needed it to fill out my credits. I didn't understand what he was talking about right from the first day and it didn't get any better.
So here's my problem. The Federal Reserve just increased interest rate by .75% with the good news that another increase would be coming later in the summer. This is all done to ward off recession.(I think it's already here) So the interest rate will increase the rate on credit cards, car purchases, housing and everything else and they say our pay check will be less to. I'm not sure about that but it certainly won't go as far.
Finally to the point. If all these things are going to cost us more how will that help to ward off recession? Please don't be a college professor and explain it to me in six syllable words. Just single syllable layman's grunts will do just fine.,
My wife has several health issues so I will be away from the computer fot the next several hours Thanks
I took one course in Economics in college because ... (show quote)


My guess is that if they raise interest, you won't buy as much because you can't afford it now. If there are less purchases, that means there's more product, more product and less buying is the same as supply and demand. When the demand is high, the supply goes down and things become more expensive. When the demand goes down, there is a larger supply and therefore the price will decrease to get rid of all the stuff in the warehouses. I don't know if this works though. I know that every time we have a lefty in the white house, we have problems like this. Usually unemployment is really high but now it seems low. I do think that stat is skewed because many people have not returned to work since Covid. But many may return to work now that inflation is high and the free money has run out.

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Jun 18, 2022 11:53:58   #
Minitman Loc: Centreville, Virginia
 
Given the traditional definition of recession: two consecutive quarters of negative growth, unless there is a dramatic turnaround in the next 12 days, we'll find out we're already in one. The good news, that data won't be out for several weeks.

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Jun 18, 2022 12:19:49   #
Paladin48 Loc: Orlando
 
tramsey wrote:
I took one course in Economics in college because that's all that was left and I needed it to fill out my credits. I didn't understand what he was talking about right from the first day and it didn't get any better.
So here's my problem. The Federal Reserve just increased interest rate by .75% with the good news that another increase would be coming later in the summer. This is all done to ward off recession.(I think it's already here) So the interest rate will increase the rate on credit cards, car purchases, housing and everything else and they say our pay check will be less to. I'm not sure about that but it certainly won't go as far.
Finally to the point. If all these things are going to cost us more how will that help to ward off recession? Please don't be a college professor and explain it to me in six syllable words. Just single syllable layman's grunts will do just fine.,
My wife has several health issues so I will be away from the computer for the next several hours Thanks
I took one course in Economics in college because ... (show quote)



FACT: The "Economists" have predicted 14 (Fourteen) of the last 3 (Three) recessions.
Anyone who half-way paid attention to economics in High School can see what is happening here. They want to blow up our economy and crash our government system. It is intentional.
Buckle Up and save your scraps of tin foil and dryer lint ... it's gonna get nasty

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Jun 18, 2022 13:05:31   #
rrozema Loc: Sacramento, California
 
Good answer

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Jun 18, 2022 13:16:44   #
bhanusa Loc: Maui, Hawaii
 
When I told my daughter who lives in New Zealand that I paid $7.99 for a gallon of milk, she came back with this:

In comparison to the money thing. It's $7 for half-gallon of milk here - and it's now $13 for a gallon petrol!

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Jun 18, 2022 13:27:16   #
mikenolan Loc: Lincoln Nebraska
 
These Keynsian economists will destroy the economy trying to fix it.

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Jun 18, 2022 13:31:12   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Paladin48 wrote:
FACT: The "Economists" have predicted 14 (Fourteen) of the last 3 (Three) recessions.
Anyone who half-way paid attention to economics in High School can see what is happening here. They want to blow up our economy and crash our government system. It is intentional.
Buckle Up and save your scraps of tin foil and dryer lint ... it's gonna get nasty



True - it IS intentional.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jun 18, 2022 13:35:20   #
BrianFlaherty Loc: Wilseyville, CA
 
tramsey wrote:
I took one course in Economics in college because that's all that was left and I needed it to fill out my credits. I didn't understand what he was talking about right from the first day and it didn't get any better.
So here's my problem. The Federal Reserve just increased interest rate by .75% with the good news that another increase would be coming later in the summer. This is all done to ward off recession.(I think it's already here) So the interest rate will increase the rate on credit cards, car purchases, housing and everything else and they say our pay check will be less to. I'm not sure about that but it certainly won't go as far.
Finally to the point. If all these things are going to cost us more how will that help to ward off recession? Please don't be a college professor and explain it to me in six syllable words. Just single syllable layman's grunts will do just fine.,
My wife has several health issues so I will be away from the computer fot the next several hours Thanks
I took one course in Economics in college because ... (show quote)


Answer to your question (in FOUR letters!): SCAM. . .The FED is just selling you a "pig in a poke!" This concept was created (and, amplified) during the Reagan Years. . .It is/was thoroughly debunked in any high school Economics class(which I had the pleasure of teaching!). Whoops! I forgot! They do not teach econ or civics or music or History or any of those non-athletically related-courses any more!

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Jun 18, 2022 13:36:02   #
pendennis
 
mikenolan wrote:
These Keynsian economists will destroy the economy trying to fix it.


The irony here, is that Maynard Keynes more or less debunked his own aggregate demand theory after FDR proved without a doubt, that it didn't work. Yet, today, you still have "economists" like Krugman who still espouse an unworkable concept.

It all comes down to the concept, that Keynesian theories work; it's just that the right people haven't come along yet to make it happen.

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Jun 18, 2022 14:43:28   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
Would someone please explain why the Fed's raising interest rates has an effect on everyone?

Surely the Fed is not the sole source of funds - are they?

Ed

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Jun 18, 2022 15:06:02   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
rlv567 wrote:
Absolutely - except for one thing. It didn't take decades (though the tendency has been there) to run up the incredible national debt - it has occurred in just the last few years, using "money" that has no backing or value, nothing more than an entry on a computer.

Unfortunately...

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


The US hasn't been debt free since 1837 but it was, except for war years, relatively small until after WW II when it started getting larger faster. Then in my lifetime (1945) it really started to trend up. During the last several years it accelerated greatly, but it has always been there. The 1998-2001 fiscal years we had no deficit. As of 2001 the national debt was $5.8 trillion and now it is over $30.5 trillion.

It is just too tempting to Congress (and others in government, but it doesn't happen if Congress doesn't vote it) to spend money on pet projects and things designed to "buy" votes to preserve the most important jobs in the universe - THEIR OWN!

It can't keep up forever, one day a really large flock of huge chickens will come home to roost.

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