btbg

No, what you are hearing from me is follow the Constitution or go to the trouble to amend it. The second thing you are hearing from me is address the actual problems. Handguns kill more than rifles, so at least go after the bigger problem instead of the one that you are emotionally engaged in. And, there is plenty that we can do to make people safer that does not include additional gun laws.

If we aren't going to enforce current law, which we are not, then there is no reason to add more laws. Good example is the gun fight in Philadelphia over the weekend. Those people are illegal gun owners and they killed innocent bystanders while they were shooting at each other. Now, it's being listed as a mass shooting, although it does not fit the historical definition of one. If you read what both the mayor and police chief said about the shooting they point out that the police have arrested hundreds of people in Philadelphia this year alone for having guns illegally, but the district attorney just fines them and turns them lose.

So, lets start with simple solutions like confiscating guns from felons. Then, lets look at what we can do to make schools safer inexpensively. In Uvalde the school would have been safer if the door were locked. And it would have been safer had the police either acted immediately or allowed the private citizens who were willing to to act immediately.

In Buffalo the problem would have gone away if the people who saw on line what he was going to do reported it. We have a serious problem, but it is a moral issue, not a gun issue. When citizens see someone is in the process of committing a crime and chose to not speak up that is a moral issue pure and simple.

So, no I'm not saying do nothing. I'm saying start with addressing the big picture where we know we have problems, and if you still can't fix things with simple actions like keeping doors locked, taking guns from felons, actually following the background check laws we currently have on the books, etc.... then and only then should we consider amending the Constitution.

If you are over 50 I guarantee you that there were people at school while you were in high school who had guns either on their person or in their cars. But, nothing happened, did it? That means that the problem is not a gun issue, it's a societal issue. So, address the real problems.

Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL

Extremely well reasoned and stated, my friend.

pendennis

Well thought out, and well stated!

BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere

Yes, it's a moral issue... one that Republicans, as well as Democrats created. It's a moral issue because we have way more people in this country than we had 300 years ago and many of those people feel the rules don't apply to them and if anyone says anything to them directly, they take a gun out and shoot you.

You claim it's a societal issue so... what is everyone supposed to do? More people in the world equals differences of opinions on what to do and how to do it. Not so simple as you make it sound.

The problem here is that gun-huggers don't want to do ANYTHING to prevent people who shouldn't have a weapon!
EVERY SINGLE IDEA posted here by gun-huggers is a repetition of some crazy idea people like Cruz and MTG got off of some whacko internet site.
You and a bunch more here have used the term "mental health" while Gov Abbott removed 200 Million dollars from the Texas budget that was ear-marked for "mental health" so, tell me, how can you "address the real problems" if you are making those "real problems" worse?

You simply would rather pray!

And, you lost that guarantee! Where I grew up, people left their guns in their homes, unloaded. NO ONE drove around with a gun in their car, unless they were going hunting, and NO ONE committed a crime with a gun.

pendennis

As opposed to the people haters like you and Dirt Bag, who have no thought except to ban guns. You absolutely know that's not going to happen, yet your solutions are to spout non-workable, fantastical solutions, and have a desire for an instant fix to a societal problem which has its genesis in the 60's, and LBJ's "Great Society" fantasy. There's been nearly sixty years of lax parenting, absentee fathers, liberal courts, deliberate destruction of the nuclear family, and general lack of moral compasses. Yet, you wonder why young males act stupidly, while espousing a fairy tale concept that single women can somehow perfectly act as a father figure.

What chutzpah!

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

I'm 72 and I seriously doubt there were firearms at our school. Of course I did grow up in a city not in fly over country. I was aware of a couple of stabbings when I was in school, but never a shooting.

Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL

Not chutzpah. Idiocy. You are absolutely right about the moral decline of America, coupled with the creation of a culture of leeches who would devour the life blood of the host without any concern for what they will live on, or who will support them and condone their stupid antics when they have bled the host to death.

btbg

I'm only 66 and there were hunting rifles in gun racks in clear view in pickups in the school parking lot on almost a daily basis. Teachers and students would go outside at lunch and compare each other's guns. And, yes, there were several teachers who had guns in the school building.

If there were not guns in your school I would be surprised.

pendennis

I attended school in the city. We had a 50ft rifle range in the basement of the ROTC Department. You could take your .22 rifle to the range three days a week. The rifles would be racked for the day, and you could shoot that afternoon after school, and the ROTC rifle team coach would be there to coach. Members of the rifle team were the range officers. Never an incident.

jcboy3

No, just your projections. Note: anytime anyone makes a Nazi comparison, they are being stupid.

Bill 45

So very true.

Bill 45

As for you, chutzpah to you. You are a male who is in fear of women running things, that why you are putting down a single women running a house.

Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.

It was quite the same at the school I attended. I think it was mainly during hunting season. Oddly enough nobody found it strange that there was not one single "accident" or "shooting" in fifty or sixty years then suddenly everything changed. How? Why? I'm certain it was a combination of many factors, not just one single happening.
It certainly is worth a conversation or two because history tells us that at one time we were doing something very right in our culture and now we're doing something very wrong. It might behove us to learn where we went astray.

mikee

Have you gotten pulled over with $10k or more in cash lately. No trial, the police just assume it is drug money any take it.

pendennis

What a putz! I don't fear women running anything, and I did not put down single women who run a house.

Do you fear the bicycle bar? Are you a eunuch?