btbg

Not crying about anything. Just pointing out that Red Flag laws do not provide the accused with due process. And, if you go back and look at my posts I have said little if anything about mental health. I have only argued the constitutionality of some kinds of gun laws. Perhaps you should try reading for comprehension.

btbg

Where have you stated that the courts should side-step due process? When you supported red flag laws, because they do sidestep due process. They allow a third party to turn in a complaint and then a judge rules on the complaint without the individual the complaint is about being in court for the due process. Only after their guns are confiscated are they allowed into the court process. That is a denial of due process. Ergo, since you support red flag laws you support denying due process.

pendennis

You cited one state, and one instance. Try again. It was the ACLU that started the ball rolling in the late 50's.

Red Flag laws sidestep due process per se.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

You allude to the possibilities of family members petitioning a court to confiscate weapons. Yet you would deny due process and the rights of an individual to be free in their home with their possessions. This is antithetical to the very principles espoused by Democrats and Liberals of all sorts.

What is distressing about the proposed confiscation-laws are some major points:

1. The confiscation may be initiated by ANYONE, not just a family member: The “busybody” neighbor down the street secretly “informing” the authorities; the snubbed co-worker; the jilted boy or girl friend; someone of a different race, creed, religion or political persuasion.

2. Their is no methodology for an “accused” to get a fair and impartial hearing on competency, mental state, or assessment of actual intent.

3. The persons affected by the confiscations are not faced by their accusers, but by a faceless steamroller bureaucracy. Without representation.

NO, some judge signs-off on an unproven and undefended accusation, and the police descend upon a hapless individual, perhaps breaking into their home to ransack and confiscate whatever they personally feel to be potentially harmful or dangerous items—all based on hearsay.
In secret.
Behind closed doors.
Without presentation of evidence.
Without any potentiality of defense.
In violation of several portions of the Constitution of the Republic.

Do people even realize how antithetical these actions are to the very ideals of a democratic society?

Do persons of a liberal-bent not understand this goes against ALL the tenants of the very agendas they espouse: freedom, liberty, the good-of-society?

How will you feel when the “jack-booted thugs” of a police state break into YOUR house to terrorize, ransack, search and destroy for items they term “weapons”. . . ?

Triple G

When a drunk and his car keys are separated by the bartender, what due process is followed?

dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii

Of course he is. Pubicans don't want to spend money, they want to save it on their taxes. Screw infrastructure spending.

dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii

Oh, you mean when DeSantis's "voter police" come calling?

Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.

Who is to be held accountable if the "jury of peers" happens to get it wrong and puts no restrictions on a mad man who succeeds on mass murder?

BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere

Get Real!

If Reagan had NOT pushed congress to abolish mental health institutions, life for many today, would be very different.

No one has reversed that decision since Reagan so, that "one instance" is STILL how we role today. Put the blame where it belongs! Republicans shut down these institutions... whether YOU like it or NOT!
REPUBLICANS are responsible for all these people being on the streets!

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html
It was all about money!

Blaming the ACLU is just a white-boy response.

From what I read, the ACLU was fighting the deplorable living conditions in these institutions.

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-mental-institutions

BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere

Sadly, that's true.

Funny thing is...
Republicans are responsible for cuts to mental health yet, they cry about to many mentally ill individuals running around the streets.
When the gubermint doles out subsides to help those in need, Republicans got their hands stretched out as far as they can go! And, they have the audacity to cry about government handouts.

That is spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

I don't know I have a lunatic that lives down the street who uses his guns to harass and intimidate his neighbors, not one home owner up here has not complained about it.. Would love to see something done about it. But even if you go to the courts and they take his guns it would not be hard for him to find a gun to come back with to exact revenge.

BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere

TOTALLY FALSE!

NOTHING BUT YOUR EXTREMIST POLARIZING PROPOGANDA.

Don't belief me? Read the attached link.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/politics/florida-red-flag-law/index.html

PASSED BY REPUBLICANS! SUPPORTED BY REPUBLICANS AND IN PLACE SINCE 2018 SO, YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD TO DISPROVE YOUR BABBLE.

Over 8000 cases since 2018. Provide ONE of these cases that support your babble....
In secret.
Behind closed doors.
Without presentation of evidence.
Without any potentiality of defense.
In violation of several portions of the Constitution of the Republic.

YOU ARE SIMPLY MAKING THIS STUFF UP!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

The NYT's article is a crock of crap, blame everything on the republicans....

Maybe this will help you out.

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/30/567477160/how-the-loss-of-u-s-psychiatric-hospitals-led-to-a-mental-health-crisis

btbg

That isn't the government confiscating personal property. Big difference.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

I think that Red Flag laws have their place, but I think that if guns were removed that there would be a real need to have the situation adjudicated within days not months.